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ssaammii's review against another edition
emotional
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
This was an entertaining read that I was compulsively drawn back to.
The prose was successful in capturing a very specific atmosphere at points that resonated with me, but did sometimes fail to thread the needle between the observation and critique of familiar internal demons, and indulging/condoning the worst actions of its characters. I found myself very much riding off the vibes the characters as a collective, bevause as individuals they could be somewhat unbearable at times. I did find the passage of time to be very well articulated through the seasonal changes and the character interactions that developed naturally.
The prose was successful in capturing a very specific atmosphere at points that resonated with me, but did sometimes fail to thread the needle between the observation and critique of familiar internal demons, and indulging/condoning the worst actions of its characters. I found myself very much riding off the vibes the characters as a collective, bevause as individuals they could be somewhat unbearable at times. I did find the passage of time to be very well articulated through the seasonal changes and the character interactions that developed naturally.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Alcoholism, Physical abuse, and Suicide attempt
Minor: Adult/minor relationship, Animal death, Transphobia, and Vomit
xabbeylongx's review against another edition
challenging
funny
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.0
Spoilers Ahead:
This book was recommended to me by a friend. They said it was heartbreaking, and it was the best thing they’d ever read. I’ve had this book for about a year now, but with all of my university reading, I kept putting off, but last month, I finally got round to reading it.
We follow Cleo and Frank as they meet, Cleo from England and Frank from America. She’s visiting America, but wants to stay, and her and Frank have this really quick marriage, made up mostly of physical attraction, and that means she has the Visa to stay in America.
They don’t have a conventional marriage, and, suffice it to say, it doesn’t end well, or last very long. Cleo is trying to be an artist, but her mother committed suicide, and she herself is on antidepressants, and being with Frank makes that worse for her. She struggles to find the motivation to make art every day, so sits at home and doesn’t really do much, which means she doesn’t get to become an artist whilst with him. Frank has an alcoholic as a mother, and he often drinks his life away. He was also falling for one of his work colleagues, Eleanor, and Cleo read the emails. She wanted a change, wanted him to change, and asked Frank to stop drinking, but he didn’t, and she self-harmed. He found her, bleeding out, and she was admitted to a psychiatric hospital. They realised soon after that they wouldn’t work, and they separated. It wasn’t until Frank got back in touch with Eleanor, and they started dating - he was no longer a drunk, and was in an AA group - that he realised he was happy. Eleanor made him go and check that she was okay, and they knew they were going to have to start the process of a divorce.
Eleanor’s dad died, and she had to sit Shiva. He had been suffering for ages, with a neurodegenerative disease. Her brother manages to find the time to come and see him whilst he’s dying, and they find out his girlfriend, Min, is actually pregnant. All the whilst, she knows she wants Frank, so finally gets him to come over.
By this time, Cleo and Frank’s friendship groups merge. Anders is a classic fuckboy, who Cleo actually slept with after Frank was too busy drinking to see her. She fell for him, but he left before she could get closure, and she holds it against him. As it is he has a son which isn’t biologically is, but emotionally is, called Jonah. He gets on well with Jonah’s mum, after dating her for 6 years, but when he moves away, Jonah no longer comes to visit him. He spends his days with other women, and he has a puppy whom he doesn’t really know how to care for.
Zoe, Frank’s half sister, doesn’t like Cleo at first, but she finds her and Audrey, Cleo’s friend, are better friends to her than anyone else has been, so she grows on her. Zoe doesn’t have a lot of money, and Frank doesn’t give her any more after a while, so she has to earn money herself. She ends up finding the pleasure that is masturbation, and becomes a sugar baby, where she gets paid to keep someone company: enter Jiro.
Santiago is trying to lose weight, having always been the ‘fat friend’ in his group. The leader, Dominique, he ends up asking out. He falls in love with her, and they get married.
Quentin, well, the less said about him, the better. He becomes a raging drug addict. His boyfriend at the time, Johnny, is mean to him, so they break up. Quentin likes to dress up in women’s clothes, which Johnny doesn’t like. He goes to a group orgy and he meets Alex, who gets him more into drugs than he already is. Cleo and Quentin used to be friends, but he got angry and distant when Cleo married Frank, and was a really awful, passive aggressive friend to her. Eventually, he is spending all his time with Alex and he invites Cleo over. He says he has run out of money, and needs some of hers, and attacks her. Fortunately, she manages to escape, and she tries to get him help, but he has no one, and she doesn’t know where he is anymore, as they’ve lost contact.
This took me ages to finish. I don’t know what it was, I just could not get into it. For me, there wasn’t a clear storyline or plot. I went into it thinking it was a relationship, and then I found out it wasn’t really a conventional relationship at all. Which I actually quite like, because there are a lot of books which are very corny, cliched, and this definitely wasn’t, and I really liked that aspect. I liked all the ‘taboo’ subjects which aren’t too often talked about, like the addiction, alcoholism, weight loss, mental health, etc etc. I like the fact that each character is facing their own battle, because I think that’s really realistic, and it shows that you never know what someone is going through really. Despite this, I think the thing for me was that I just didn’t understand it. To me, it felt like it wasn’t really going anywhere, there was a lot of stuff happening all at once, and it was very confusing. I didn’t bond well with the characters, although I think their humour was the best part about the novel, and I think that there were so many different POVs, and, in my opinion, they could have all be different books. This book, for me, wasn’t really about Cleo and Frank, even though they’re the ones that brought everyone together. There were a lot of other people I found - dare I say it - much more interesting, that I think would benefit from telling their own story. I would have happily read a whole story about Zoe and Jiro, or even just Eleanor (Eleanor was my favourite character, if you want to know). Also, the ending was a little bit anticlimactic, and it feels like there should have been a more distinct ending. If they had had separate books, I could have found out what happened to them all after the divorce, what Anders and Santiago was up to - and I was intrigued about his weight loss journey - and, most importantly how Zoe was getting on. I even felt like I didn’t really know what happened to Quentin after, which I suppose isn’t the worst thing, but we move. If the endings were done to symbolise Cleo and Frank separating and moving on, then that’s a great ending, but I need to see a continuance novel to give it a higher rating. I’m a little disappointed, I can’t lie, but I’m glad I got it finished.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Alcoholism, Body horror, Drug abuse, Drug use, Mental illness, Self harm, Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Suicide attempt, and Alcohol
Moderate: Violence
Minor: Emotional abuse and Physical abuse
jasmineher's review against another edition
dark
emotional
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Drug abuse, Emotional abuse, Physical abuse, and Self harm
avery_hutchinson's review against another edition
dark
emotional
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Even I cannot deny that this is a well written book. The writing itself is beautiful. However, it felt as if the book had little to no plot, and it also felt as if the characters all had so many issues for the sake of having issues The book is utterly vulgar throughout, and it seems every character is either toxic, irresponsible, cheating, an alcoholic, or constantly on drugs. Because of those things, the book only really toed the line of feeling realistic and relatable. The ending was bittersweet, but I wasn’t rooting for the characters to get there, especially since they felt like they had only undergone half a character arc. However the author did manage to establish clear voices for each of the characters, though the decision to include the voice of side characters for only a chapter then pushing them back to ensemble was an interesting choice.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Alcoholism, Drug abuse, Drug use, Self harm, Sexual content, Toxic relationship, Suicide attempt, Toxic friendship, and Alcohol
Moderate: Homophobia, Mental illness, Sexism, Medical content, Death of parent, and Sexual harassment
Minor: Child abuse, Physical abuse, and Transphobia
aleilvandrea's review against another edition
dark
emotional
reflective
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Alcoholism, Animal death, Body horror, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Infidelity, Mental illness, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Rape, Self harm, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Dementia, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Gore, Grief, Abandonment, and Classism
Minor: Ableism, Transphobia, Antisemitism, Acephobia/Arophobia, Fire/Fire injury, and Dysphoria
celticthistle's review against another edition
challenging
dark
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
A bit like Marmite. You'll either love it or hate!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Body shaming, Drug abuse, Emotional abuse, Mental illness, Physical abuse, Self harm, Toxic relationship, Forced institutionalization, Grief, Suicide attempt, Toxic friendship, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Addiction, Cursing, Drug abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, and Blood
solspringsreads's review against another edition
dark
emotional
hopeful
reflective
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
I enjoyed this book, but I definitely wish I’d known about several big trigger warnings that were complete shocks to me (including multiple graphic animal deaths and transphobia that results in violence—I had no clue that this book involved animals OR queer people before reading). These missing warnings didn’t negatively impact my reading of the book, but they feel symptomatic of what is maybe a larger issue I had with the book: there were a lot of scenes that felt maybe gratuitously violent/detailed in a way that was almost unnecessary for the actual plot.
Cleopatra and Frankenstein is pretty much what it says on the tin (and the plot summary): a book about a couple with a large age gap who are both deeply flawed individuals, and the ways their relationship affects the people in their lives as well as how their lives are affected in turn. I didn’t expect this book to have shifting perspectives in each chapter and to focus so heavily on characters aside from the two titular protagonists, but I actually found myself preferring the chapters that gave us insight into the larger context of Cleo and Frank’s relationship. Although I wish I could get more context for certain characters and the changes in their lives, it almost felt true to life: sometimes the people you care about extremely deeply will have major life changes that you know almost nothing about, and you don’t get closure. This also felt like it was reflective of how self-absorbed Cleo and Frank were, in that their friends like Quentin and Zoe were going through some significant life changes and crises of their own, but by the end of the book we get little to no information on the outcomes of these events. From a realism standpoint, this was amazing… but from a reader’s standpoint, I definitely felt sad that the most of an ending I could get for my favorite characters was “They hopefully aren’t dead in a ditch.” On the other hand, during each characters’ respective chapter, we got a significant amount of insight into their personal lives with only limited references to the titular characters in a way that felt kind of unnecessary to the plot; sure, I get that pointing out the irony of an overweight culinary master who’s on a pretty strict diet is Fun Social Commentary™ and the fact that Cleo and Frank barely know about this characters’ struggle or reference it during their chapters is reflective of their self-involvement, but like… again, as a reader, part of me feels like these scenes are such unnecessary tangents to the protagonists’ actual character arcs. Most of the changes and “growth” that Cleo and Frank have and go through feel random and unearned, like the novel has to explicitly tell us that they’ve changed because we spent so much time focusing on Anders’s strained relationship with his son.
Relatedly, the dialogue in this book gets kinda silly. I listened to the audiobook so my impressions of certain scenes might be very different than those of a reader of a physical copy, but there were several bits of dialogue that had me rolling my eyes. Chapter 13 is one particularly example of this issue: somehow, the dialogue between Cleo and Frank felt simultaneously too realistic and too forced, like the author couldn’t decide if she wanted to capture what arguments were actually like (including the awkward pauses, the ways people cut each other off) or what arguments felt like (focusing on the inner turmoil of each character between the lines or the minute cues of body language to show how they feel). The characters constantly talked around their issues, which is again, true to life, but unfortunately the nothing-dialogue can lead to some pretty lackluster “big fight” scenes.
There are lots of stereotypes abound in a way that is almost maybe social commentary until you look up the author and see that she is a conventionally attractive cis blonde woman and suddenly you go, “Wow, this is a book that has a lot of transphobia during the narration from a character who is heavily implied if not outright stated to be a trans woman, and while it’s positioned in a way that feels like it’s supposed to be representative of internalized transphobia, this does maybe feel weird in the broader context of this being a book about the relationship between two flawed mostly-heterosexual cisgender people!” Likewise, LOTS of really random comments about race and ethnic stereotypes that feel like they should maybe be satire except that they’re completely unchallenged… or challenged in a way that the book immediately mocks. Maybe there’s an argument that the book as a whole is satirical, and while it does have moments where that feels clear, it often clumsily treads the fine line between making fun of stereotypes and perpetuating those same stereotypes.
Despite everything, though, I was totally wrapped up in this book. I binged the whole audiobook during a knitting-induced frenzy (which resulted in an all-nighter) and still felt so awed by how beautiful certain parts of the prose sounded, especially during Santiago and Eleanor’s chapters, and the philosophical ideas explored during Zoe’s chapters. I became emotionally invested in these somewhat stereotypical characters for an evening, and I truly do feel like there are moments and scenes from this book that will stay with me even now that I’ve finished it.
Overall, this was a pretty standard entry in the subcategory of litfic about beautiful yet waifish blondes who do a lot of drugs in New York and feel miserable about the older men and so-called friends with which they surround themselves. Somehow, the hype is completely understandable and yet overdone in a way that’s to be expected for this type of novel. (There’s always hype around books about sad beautiful women with addictions living in big cities, even if those books are mostly the same.) Despite my many criticisms and the fact that this book isn’t particularly unique in its plot or commentary, I still mostly enjoyed this and would (VERY VERY tentatively and with many caveats and warnings) recommend this to others, if only to discuss some of the things I might take issue with in the book.
Cleopatra and Frankenstein is pretty much what it says on the tin (and the plot summary): a book about a couple with a large age gap who are both deeply flawed individuals, and the ways their relationship affects the people in their lives as well as how their lives are affected in turn. I didn’t expect this book to have shifting perspectives in each chapter and to focus so heavily on characters aside from the two titular protagonists, but I actually found myself preferring the chapters that gave us insight into the larger context of Cleo and Frank’s relationship. Although I wish I could get more context for certain characters and the changes in their lives, it almost felt true to life: sometimes the people you care about extremely deeply will have major life changes that you know almost nothing about, and you don’t get closure. This also felt like it was reflective of how self-absorbed Cleo and Frank were, in that their friends like Quentin and Zoe were going through some significant life changes and crises of their own, but by the end of the book we get little to no information on the outcomes of these events. From a realism standpoint, this was amazing… but from a reader’s standpoint, I definitely felt sad that the most of an ending I could get for my favorite characters was “They hopefully aren’t dead in a ditch.” On the other hand, during each characters’ respective chapter, we got a significant amount of insight into their personal lives with only limited references to the titular characters in a way that felt kind of unnecessary to the plot; sure, I get that pointing out the irony of an overweight culinary master who’s on a pretty strict diet is Fun Social Commentary™ and the fact that Cleo and Frank barely know about this characters’ struggle or reference it during their chapters is reflective of their self-involvement, but like… again, as a reader, part of me feels like these scenes are such unnecessary tangents to the protagonists’ actual character arcs. Most of the changes and “growth” that Cleo and Frank have and go through feel random and unearned, like the novel has to explicitly tell us that they’ve changed because we spent so much time focusing on Anders’s strained relationship with his son.
Relatedly, the dialogue in this book gets kinda silly. I listened to the audiobook so my impressions of certain scenes might be very different than those of a reader of a physical copy, but there were several bits of dialogue that had me rolling my eyes. Chapter 13 is one particularly example of this issue: somehow, the dialogue between Cleo and Frank felt simultaneously too realistic and too forced, like the author couldn’t decide if she wanted to capture what arguments were actually like (including the awkward pauses, the ways people cut each other off) or what arguments felt like (focusing on the inner turmoil of each character between the lines or the minute cues of body language to show how they feel). The characters constantly talked around their issues, which is again, true to life, but unfortunately the nothing-dialogue can lead to some pretty lackluster “big fight” scenes.
There are lots of stereotypes abound in a way that is almost maybe social commentary until you look up the author and see that she is a conventionally attractive cis blonde woman and suddenly you go, “Wow, this is a book that has a lot of transphobia during the narration from a character who is heavily implied if not outright stated to be a trans woman, and while it’s positioned in a way that feels like it’s supposed to be representative of internalized transphobia, this does maybe feel weird in the broader context of this being a book about the relationship between two flawed mostly-heterosexual cisgender people!” Likewise, LOTS of really random comments about race and ethnic stereotypes that feel like they should maybe be satire except that they’re completely unchallenged… or challenged in a way that the book immediately mocks. Maybe there’s an argument that the book as a whole is satirical, and while it does have moments where that feels clear, it often clumsily treads the fine line between making fun of stereotypes and perpetuating those same stereotypes.
Despite everything, though, I was totally wrapped up in this book. I binged the whole audiobook during a knitting-induced frenzy (which resulted in an all-nighter) and still felt so awed by how beautiful certain parts of the prose sounded, especially during Santiago and Eleanor’s chapters, and the philosophical ideas explored during Zoe’s chapters. I became emotionally invested in these somewhat stereotypical characters for an evening, and I truly do feel like there are moments and scenes from this book that will stay with me even now that I’ve finished it.
Overall, this was a pretty standard entry in the subcategory of litfic about beautiful yet waifish blondes who do a lot of drugs in New York and feel miserable about the older men and so-called friends with which they surround themselves. Somehow, the hype is completely understandable and yet overdone in a way that’s to be expected for this type of novel. (There’s always hype around books about sad beautiful women with addictions living in big cities, even if those books are mostly the same.) Despite my many criticisms and the fact that this book isn’t particularly unique in its plot or commentary, I still mostly enjoyed this and would (VERY VERY tentatively and with many caveats and warnings) recommend this to others, if only to discuss some of the things I might take issue with in the book.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Alcoholism, Animal death, Death, Drug abuse, Drug use, Eating disorder, Emotional abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Infidelity, Mental illness, Physical abuse, Self harm, Sexism, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Toxic relationship, Transphobia, Violence, Xenophobia, Dementia, Grief, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Outing, Toxic friendship, Abandonment, Alcohol, Dysphoria, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
livangel's review against another edition
emotional
funny
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.25
Honestly, it’s a very interesting take on every day life. I think it shows how “Cleopatra” and “Frankenstein“ are both monsters and victims. It shows that no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you love each other, sometimes relationships are sometimes bad or toxic. It makes you think about how you view or judge people and reflect on where the problem truly lies. Definitely worth a read. The book does drag on sometimes, but that’s just part of its charm.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Addiction, Alcoholism, Cursing, Toxic relationship, and Toxic friendship
Moderate: Domestic abuse, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Infidelity, Medical content, Grief, and Gaslighting
Minor: Animal death, Physical abuse, Self harm, Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Blood, Vomit, Suicide attempt, and Death of parent
ephemeral_remi's review against another edition
challenging
emotional
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Eating disorder, Homophobia, Mental illness, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Self harm, Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Toxic relationship, Violence, Forced institutionalization, Medical content, Grief, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, and Toxic friendship
meganreadsbook's review against another edition
dark
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Alcoholism, Drug abuse, Drug use, Infidelity, Physical abuse, Self harm, Sexual violence, Toxic relationship, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, and Toxic friendship
Minor: Transphobia