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blowp0p's review against another edition
4.0
I'd like to start this off with this book needs a few content warnings: There's a few transmysogynistic statements by the main character, some homophobic microaggressions towards a gay man, some bits of getting feminism wrong, and some very spot on comments about misogyny in culture that could ruin a reader's experience. It didn't ruin mine but I could very well see some of them ruining others.
I REALLY enjoyed this book. I even love that she calls her vagina her VJ (which is still way more adult than 50 shades of grey). I honestly wasn't sure what to expect from this book. Initially I saw it a few months ago when I was browsing the book section of Wal-Mart. So it's been on my to-read list since. Like, I read the back of it and thought it looked hilarious and had I had money at the time I would have bought it that day. Went back a week later and didn't see it at all and haven't seen it since. But I knew I'd eventually get it so it didn't bother me.
Like the MC, I can remember being at a young age when first learning that touching my clitoris was pleasurable. I think I was 10. Possibly 13. And being embarrassed as hell about my body and the hair on my body and everything else basically.
I WISH this book had been around when I was a teenager. Seriously. I didn't first have sex until the Halloween before I turned 20. But mine wasn't a lack of trying. Mine was just more I wasn't ready until then but I remember that when I finally was ready I stressed as much as the MC did over it. But once I did I came to similar conclusions as the MC. That it wasn't a huge deal. And we shouldn't judge people on whether they have or haven't had sex or how much sex they do or don't have. Never came to the conclusion about loving my body hair but that's more of a discussion for another topic and doesn't have to do with reasons people typically think.
Regardless this is a great book and I really enjoyed it.
I REALLY enjoyed this book. I even love that she calls her vagina her VJ (which is still way more adult than 50 shades of grey). I honestly wasn't sure what to expect from this book. Initially I saw it a few months ago when I was browsing the book section of Wal-Mart. So it's been on my to-read list since. Like, I read the back of it and thought it looked hilarious and had I had money at the time I would have bought it that day. Went back a week later and didn't see it at all and haven't seen it since. But I knew I'd eventually get it so it didn't bother me.
Like the MC, I can remember being at a young age when first learning that touching my clitoris was pleasurable. I think I was 10. Possibly 13. And being embarrassed as hell about my body and the hair on my body and everything else basically.
I WISH this book had been around when I was a teenager. Seriously. I didn't first have sex until the Halloween before I turned 20. But mine wasn't a lack of trying. Mine was just more I wasn't ready until then but I remember that when I finally was ready I stressed as much as the MC did over it. But once I did I came to similar conclusions as the MC. That it wasn't a huge deal. And we shouldn't judge people on whether they have or haven't had sex or how much sex they do or don't have. Never came to the conclusion about loving my body hair but that's more of a discussion for another topic and doesn't have to do with reasons people typically think.
Regardless this is a great book and I really enjoyed it.
lmrivas54's review against another edition
3.0
I received this book from Net Galley in exchange for an honest review. Ok, this book was certainly different. Ellie is a 21 y/o virgin and she acts like she is the only 21 y/o in the world who is a virgin. Personally I didn't see what the tragedy was, but I kept on reading. Then Ellie and her BFF Lara embark on a quest to meet a man and have him break Ellie's "V plate". Instead, when they get to a bar, Lara nabs a guy, leaving Ellie high and dry, they fight and break up. This leaves Ellie alone to moan and obsess about the dang virginity and make more plans, this time with another friend, Emma. She meets a guy and embarks on a relation that is no relation, except in her imagination. During the book, the reader is treated to an in-depth exposé on the trials and tribulations of a woman desperate to leave her virginal state. We get to read about pubes, the preparation of your vagina for a date, and how to give a proper blow job, the gift that keeps on giving LOL. I loved the vblogs, some of the best writing was in those. Some parts were hysterically funny, other parts were excrutiatingly boring. Overall, the pace of the book was too slow; it would have been a much better book if it had a sharper pace.
emleemay's review against another edition
4.0
This book is solid proof that even New Adult chick lit can be well-written, hilarious and meaningful.
In fact, I am amazed at how good this book is. Virgin should probably be the bible for teenage girls and young women everywhere... it is an honest, laugh-out-loud funny portrayal of growing up, relationships, sex and all the icky bits (and there are some real icky bits).
I cannot tell you how surprised I was. Let's be honest, I read this because of that title which was too curiosity-inducing for me to pass up. I foresaw potential DNFs and eye rolls and cliched, stereotypical characters - I got none of that. I picked this book up, got drawn into the unfortunate but completely hysterical life of Ellie, and spent most of the time snorting with laughter (sexy is my middle name) at all the situations she found herself in.
So, I've said before that humour is subjective, and maybe you won't like this because of that... but, you know why this book is so damn funny? Because it's so damn true. From the stupidly ridiculous thoughts teen girls have about sex to the waxing/shaving nightmares (should I? how much? where exactly? hope I don't cut my VJ... oh fuck). It felt so relatable and refreshing in its honest, no holds barred depiction of everything young women worry about and obsess over. It is primarily funny fiction, but I swear some parts of this book would have been really useful to me if it had been around when I was a teen.
While the main story is about a 21-year-old virgin called Ellie, the book has a very sex-positive attitude. Or perhaps it would be better to say a sex-neutral attitude. Ellie is a virgin but her friends are sexually active. There is no slut-shaming or virgin-shaming (except originally by the MC herself and the story enables her to overcome this). The "message" behind the book is that society should be more open to talking about all the nitty gritty details of sex that you don't currently get from a sex-ed lesson in school. Teen girls worry and obsess about so much (I know from experience ^_^) and this could be avoided by talking about it more.
Very funny, very enjoyable book.
Here's a little sample for you after Ellie gets her first Brazilian wax:
Oh my fucking God. The wax hadn't all come off on the strips, and it was stuck on my skin along with knicker fluff. I rubbed at it frantically until I realized it had hardened and wasn't coming off. I needed to use some water, but it was a public bathroom. I couldn't just rub my vagina next to the sink, could I?
Praying to God no one would walk in, I hobbled to the sink with my knickers and jeans halfway down my legs. I quickly started rubbing away at it with water and a runny pink soap I squirted from the plastic dispenser. The wax went gloopy when it was mixed with the hot water, and it spread across my skin. I had made it worse.
Feeling panicky, I rubbed as hard as I could and then tried to peel it off. The sticky wax caught under my fingernails and I tried to scrape it off with loo roll, but the paper stuck to the skin on my hands and vagina.
I looked at myself in the mirror, bent down with my legs spread open and my hand on my vagina, stuck there with wax and loo roll. This was not how I'd imagined the start of my first ever grown-up date.
The door swung open and a middle-aged woman wearing a brown fur coat stood in the doorway, staring at me in disgust. My mouth dropped wide open and our eyes met in the mirror. There was a squeal and I looked down and saw the child next to her.
"Mummy," he asked. "Why is that girl rubbing her front bottom?"
The woman put her manicured hand over the little boy's eyes and spun him around. She looked at me with something close to revulsion and shook her head slowly.
"You're disgusting," she hissed under her breath as she propelled her son out of the bathroom. I stared at myself in the mirror, wondering how this was my life. I could hear her hushing the boy outside: "Orlando, sweetie, are you feeling okay?"
I snorted. Orlando was five years old and didn't have a vagina covered in dried wax. He was bloody fine. I, on the other hand, wanted to crawl into the loo cubicle and never leave.
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In fact, I am amazed at how good this book is. Virgin should probably be the bible for teenage girls and young women everywhere... it is an honest, laugh-out-loud funny portrayal of growing up, relationships, sex and all the icky bits (and there are some real icky bits).
I cannot tell you how surprised I was. Let's be honest, I read this because of that title which was too curiosity-inducing for me to pass up. I foresaw potential DNFs and eye rolls and cliched, stereotypical characters - I got none of that. I picked this book up, got drawn into the unfortunate but completely hysterical life of Ellie, and spent most of the time snorting with laughter (sexy is my middle name) at all the situations she found herself in.
So, I've said before that humour is subjective, and maybe you won't like this because of that... but, you know why this book is so damn funny? Because it's so damn true. From the stupidly ridiculous thoughts teen girls have about sex to the waxing/shaving nightmares (should I? how much? where exactly? hope I don't cut my VJ... oh fuck). It felt so relatable and refreshing in its honest, no holds barred depiction of everything young women worry about and obsess over. It is primarily funny fiction, but I swear some parts of this book would have been really useful to me if it had been around when I was a teen.
While the main story is about a 21-year-old virgin called Ellie, the book has a very sex-positive attitude. Or perhaps it would be better to say a sex-neutral attitude. Ellie is a virgin but her friends are sexually active. There is no slut-shaming or virgin-shaming (except originally by the MC herself and the story enables her to overcome this). The "message" behind the book is that society should be more open to talking about all the nitty gritty details of sex that you don't currently get from a sex-ed lesson in school. Teen girls worry and obsess about so much (I know from experience ^_^) and this could be avoided by talking about it more.
Very funny, very enjoyable book.
Here's a little sample for you after Ellie gets her first Brazilian wax:
Oh my fucking God. The wax hadn't all come off on the strips, and it was stuck on my skin along with knicker fluff. I rubbed at it frantically until I realized it had hardened and wasn't coming off. I needed to use some water, but it was a public bathroom. I couldn't just rub my vagina next to the sink, could I?
Praying to God no one would walk in, I hobbled to the sink with my knickers and jeans halfway down my legs. I quickly started rubbing away at it with water and a runny pink soap I squirted from the plastic dispenser. The wax went gloopy when it was mixed with the hot water, and it spread across my skin. I had made it worse.
Feeling panicky, I rubbed as hard as I could and then tried to peel it off. The sticky wax caught under my fingernails and I tried to scrape it off with loo roll, but the paper stuck to the skin on my hands and vagina.
I looked at myself in the mirror, bent down with my legs spread open and my hand on my vagina, stuck there with wax and loo roll. This was not how I'd imagined the start of my first ever grown-up date.
The door swung open and a middle-aged woman wearing a brown fur coat stood in the doorway, staring at me in disgust. My mouth dropped wide open and our eyes met in the mirror. There was a squeal and I looked down and saw the child next to her.
"Mummy," he asked. "Why is that girl rubbing her front bottom?"
The woman put her manicured hand over the little boy's eyes and spun him around. She looked at me with something close to revulsion and shook her head slowly.
"You're disgusting," she hissed under her breath as she propelled her son out of the bathroom. I stared at myself in the mirror, wondering how this was my life. I could hear her hushing the boy outside: "Orlando, sweetie, are you feeling okay?"
I snorted. Orlando was five years old and didn't have a vagina covered in dried wax. He was bloody fine. I, on the other hand, wanted to crawl into the loo cubicle and never leave.
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mbro's review against another edition
funny
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
ellereadx's review against another edition
funny
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.25
kiyamarie's review against another edition
5.0
This book is one of those ones that I wish I had encountered when I was younger and yes still had my V-Card. I honestly related to this book so much and especially the characters situation. I don't regret my decisions, however I wish I could have accepted my virginity sooner.
The main things I love about this book is that it asks and answers, in a way, questions that young girls want to know the answer to, but do not want to ask. Mainly because no one talks about it. We are supposed to figure out everything on our own with minimal help from the outside/cyber world suh as the main character Ellie did. I think what is most special is the acceptance and that made this five stars for me. The author could have ended it in any way and I'm glad it ended the way it did.
Sanghani does a very good job of portraying actual feelings especially when it comes to societal views on women and how we are supposed to be. Because hell, I really don't think any one of us really knows. We just know if we're virgins we're prudes and if we've had sex we are sluts. There is no in between. Sanghani addresses many things while making this book hilarious, relatable, and full of all the awkward situations of growing up. Ellie is a lovable character because she is fleshed out and human. You see not only a girl who is concerned with losing her virginity but a girl who is determined, scared, successful, selfish, anxious, basically qualities that make her human and not just a "perfect" girl who gets everything she wants and nothing ever goes wrong. Because I've read those books and wooooo are they boring.
I would definitely recommend this book to all. Virgins or not. But mainly for the girls out there who feel uncomfortable in their own skin.
The main things I love about this book is that it asks and answers, in a way, questions that young girls want to know the answer to, but do not want to ask. Mainly because no one talks about it. We are supposed to figure out everything on our own with minimal help from the outside/cyber world suh as the main character Ellie did. I think what is most special is the acceptance and that made this five stars for me. The author could have ended it in any way and I'm glad it ended the way it did.
Sanghani does a very good job of portraying actual feelings especially when it comes to societal views on women and how we are supposed to be. Because hell, I really don't think any one of us really knows. We just know if we're virgins we're prudes and if we've had sex we are sluts. There is no in between. Sanghani addresses many things while making this book hilarious, relatable, and full of all the awkward situations of growing up. Ellie is a lovable character because she is fleshed out and human. You see not only a girl who is concerned with losing her virginity but a girl who is determined, scared, successful, selfish, anxious, basically qualities that make her human and not just a "perfect" girl who gets everything she wants and nothing ever goes wrong. Because I've read those books and wooooo are they boring.
I would definitely recommend this book to all. Virgins or not. But mainly for the girls out there who feel uncomfortable in their own skin.
sashapasha's review against another edition
4.0
Rating: 4 Stars
Finally, a new adult book that portrays what life and sex are actually like for an awkward college girl. It's so realistic that at times this book could've been my diary. Added bonus -- it's hilarious.
Finally, a new adult book that portrays what life and sex are actually like for an awkward college girl. It's so realistic that at times this book could've been my diary. Added bonus -- it's hilarious.
kathydavie's review against another edition
3.0
Virgin is chick lit for a New Adult audience and revolves around Ellie Kolstakis who, shhhh, still has her V-card. Oh. My. God.
My thanks to NetGalley and Berkley for providing this ARC for me to read.
My Take
I found this an odd combination of silly, embarrassing, and practical. What I greatly disliked is the melodrama. Oh. My. God. But then that is what teens are all about, the melodrama. Although, at 21, I would have expected that Ellie would be beyond this level of it.
The anguish Ellie goes through at the thought — horrors — of her medical record stating that she's a virgin. Big deal. It's not like the doc is gonna post it up on Facebook! Her big dream is to have to take a test for chlamydia. What is she doing in college with this kind of mentality?
It's her desperation that turns me off the most. It's also messy and yet also informative.
The agony she goes through in trimming her bush and trying to de-hair herself is enlightening and a crack-up. I have to confess, I had no idea there was so much involved, and Ellie is such a klutz. Guess I've been out of the dating game too long, lol.
I so believe Lara when she says Ellie has a crisis every day. She doesn't have a life as she's so focused on getting a man. Emma tells her that she's fun when she's not moaning about how crappy her life is.
I like their idea of a blog. There are all sorts of questions out there that sex ed does not answer, and parents are certainly reluctant to explain anything. They're more likely to ground you for the thoughts you're having!! Nor do novels really get into the nitty-gritty. As Ellie points out, "these fictional girls magically knew exactly what to do."
I also appreciated that "Ellie" was willing to get down and dirty about her experiences with getting a wax. I can imagine having all these questions running through my mind too, lol. There's the blow job research she engages in with Paul. The chat about period sex.
What is most frustrating is how our society looks at sex. How it embraces it publicly but secretly thinks it's so dirty and disgusting. I suspect there'd be a lot more happy marriages and happy people if we could get past this.
Oh, thank god, Lara gives Ellie good advice.
The Story
It's that fight with Lara that sends Ellie focusing on Emma. And it's Emma who pushes Ellie out there. To try, to blog about her issues, lol.
The Characters
Ellie Kolstakis is a nonsmoking virgin who is so clueless it's mortifying; she wants to be a writer. Her mother wants her to find balance, but the only balance Ellie can find is when her teeter-totter has fallen to one side or the other.
Lara has been Ellie's best friend forever. Jez is her on-again/off-again boyfriend. Nikki Pitsillides is a neighbor with the druggie boyfriend, Yanni; Paul is the brother Ellie's mom sets her up with. At least Ellie can help Paul out, lol. Vladi is Paul's first. Debbie Pitsillides is their matchmaking mother. Leah is the fellow student who made Ellie brave again.
Emma is kind and real — and a serious player.
Jack Brown is a graphic designer and a writer on the side; his friend Eric is the one who brought him to Amelia's party. And Eric is dating Hannah. Luisa is the girl Jack loves.
Kara. Luke is the leader of the cool group in Ellie's English Literature course. Hannah Fielding thinks she's cool and will sleep with anyone, including Kara's now ex-boyfriend Tom. Charlie is the joker of the group. Marie is a Belgian ex-model.
James Martell is her first bj. Almost. Chris is a kisser and leaver while his friend Angus doesn't have any problem coming home with Lara. Sergio is getting an MA in Creative Writing.
Dr. E. Bowers is the medical authority at college. Pi magazine is looking for a columnist; Sarah is the editor. Maxine is the editor for London magazine.
The Cover
The cover has a white background with a red V made up of rose petals. The "V" itself is poised above a black box containing the title with upside-down exclamation marks for the "i"s. It's a surprising cover as it's so clean and crisp, so very unlike the story.
The title is what the focus is, being a Virgin and wanting it to stop.
My thanks to NetGalley and Berkley for providing this ARC for me to read.
My Take
I found this an odd combination of silly, embarrassing, and practical. What I greatly disliked is the melodrama. Oh. My. God. But then that is what teens are all about, the melodrama. Although, at 21, I would have expected that Ellie would be beyond this level of it.
The anguish Ellie goes through at the thought — horrors — of her medical record stating that she's a virgin. Big deal. It's not like the doc is gonna post it up on Facebook! Her big dream is to have to take a test for chlamydia. What is she doing in college with this kind of mentality?
It's her desperation that turns me off the most. It's also messy and yet also informative.
The agony she goes through in trimming her bush and trying to de-hair herself is enlightening and a crack-up. I have to confess, I had no idea there was so much involved, and Ellie is such a klutz. Guess I've been out of the dating game too long, lol.
"It looked like a sad, bald potato sprouting hairs."
I so believe Lara when she says Ellie has a crisis every day. She doesn't have a life as she's so focused on getting a man. Emma tells her that she's fun when she's not moaning about how crappy her life is.
I like their idea of a blog. There are all sorts of questions out there that sex ed does not answer, and parents are certainly reluctant to explain anything. They're more likely to ground you for the thoughts you're having!! Nor do novels really get into the nitty-gritty. As Ellie points out, "these fictional girls magically knew exactly what to do."
I also appreciated that "Ellie" was willing to get down and dirty about her experiences with getting a wax. I can imagine having all these questions running through my mind too, lol. There's the blow job research she engages in with Paul. The chat about period sex.
What is most frustrating is how our society looks at sex. How it embraces it publicly but secretly thinks it's so dirty and disgusting. I suspect there'd be a lot more happy marriages and happy people if we could get past this.
Oh, thank god, Lara gives Ellie good advice.
The Story
It's that fight with Lara that sends Ellie focusing on Emma. And it's Emma who pushes Ellie out there. To try, to blog about her issues, lol.
The Characters
Ellie Kolstakis is a nonsmoking virgin who is so clueless it's mortifying; she wants to be a writer. Her mother wants her to find balance, but the only balance Ellie can find is when her teeter-totter has fallen to one side or the other.
Lara has been Ellie's best friend forever. Jez is her on-again/off-again boyfriend. Nikki Pitsillides is a neighbor with the druggie boyfriend, Yanni; Paul is the brother Ellie's mom sets her up with. At least Ellie can help Paul out, lol. Vladi is Paul's first. Debbie Pitsillides is their matchmaking mother. Leah is the fellow student who made Ellie brave again.
Emma is kind and real — and a serious player.
Jack Brown is a graphic designer and a writer on the side; his friend Eric is the one who brought him to Amelia's party. And Eric is dating Hannah. Luisa is the girl Jack loves.
Kara. Luke is the leader of the cool group in Ellie's English Literature course. Hannah Fielding thinks she's cool and will sleep with anyone, including Kara's now ex-boyfriend Tom. Charlie is the joker of the group. Marie is a Belgian ex-model.
James Martell is her first bj. Almost. Chris is a kisser and leaver while his friend Angus doesn't have any problem coming home with Lara. Sergio is getting an MA in Creative Writing.
Dr. E. Bowers is the medical authority at college. Pi magazine is looking for a columnist; Sarah is the editor. Maxine is the editor for London magazine.
The Cover
The cover has a white background with a red V made up of rose petals. The "V" itself is poised above a black box containing the title with upside-down exclamation marks for the "i"s. It's a surprising cover as it's so clean and crisp, so very unlike the story.
The title is what the focus is, being a Virgin and wanting it to stop.
elodiethefangirl's review against another edition
funny
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
1.0
franuary's review against another edition
2.0
Sex itself is kind of hilarious, but trying to have sex (and failing miserably) can be even funnier. There are dozens of teen comedies that build on this idea with varying degrees of success, but nearly all approach the woes of the virgin from the male perspective. This is why I was so excited to read Virgin by Radhika Sanghani, which told the well-known “ohmigod guys, it is so hard to be a virgin” story from the viewpoint of of a 21-year-old female.
Unfortunately, Virgin’s protagonist, Ellie, behaves as though she is the only college-aged lady virgin in recorded history. The idea that she “needs” to lose her virginity (because, of course, she doesn’t) hits her as a sudden jolting realization, as if as if failing to lose one’s virginity is the sexual equivalent of accidentally leaving the coffee pot on. The reader is left to wonder what occupied her time when she wasn’t hell-bent on trading in her “v-card”, as the task leaves no room for other interests that she presumably had prior to this. Ellie sets out to conquer nearly any gent who shows the slightest bit of interest, and even some who do not. When one of her dates reveals to her that he’s gay, Ellie instantly switches from thinking about offering him sexual contact out of pity (ick) to seeing him as her “first gay best friend!” Note to Ellie (and to the author): gay men are not Pokemon, stop trying to collect them.
Virgin’s largest problem for me though: it wasn't particularly well-written or structured. The book is largely composed of meandering conversations about sex between Ellie and her friends; there’s very little description, little to no inner monologue, and no sense of what makes the main character tick (other than an overwhelming desire to lose her virginity to practically anyone). The lack of good storytelling is particularly damaging since our first person narrator Ellie is described as a wonderful writer and, indeed, pursues writing as a career. There are numerous scenes in which characters gush about her talent, but her skill is not apparent on the page. Then again, she's also described as “hilarious” by those around her, but I found Ellie’s commentary to be a fairly basic, bare bones description of sex and being a woman.
I had such high hopes but unfortunately, reading Virgin was like most first sexual experiences: it was frustrating, awkward, and the finish was completely underwhelming. Here’s hoping the author’s next outing is far more pleasurable.
I received this book through NetGalley in exchange for an honest review. Thank you to Penguin Group/Signet Romance and to NetGalley for the advance copy!
Unfortunately, Virgin’s protagonist, Ellie, behaves as though she is the only college-aged lady virgin in recorded history. The idea that she “needs” to lose her virginity (because, of course, she doesn’t) hits her as a sudden jolting realization, as if as if failing to lose one’s virginity is the sexual equivalent of accidentally leaving the coffee pot on. The reader is left to wonder what occupied her time when she wasn’t hell-bent on trading in her “v-card”, as the task leaves no room for other interests that she presumably had prior to this. Ellie sets out to conquer nearly any gent who shows the slightest bit of interest, and even some who do not. When one of her dates reveals to her that he’s gay, Ellie instantly switches from thinking about offering him sexual contact out of pity (ick) to seeing him as her “first gay best friend!” Note to Ellie (and to the author): gay men are not Pokemon, stop trying to collect them.
Virgin’s largest problem for me though: it wasn't particularly well-written or structured. The book is largely composed of meandering conversations about sex between Ellie and her friends; there’s very little description, little to no inner monologue, and no sense of what makes the main character tick (other than an overwhelming desire to lose her virginity to practically anyone). The lack of good storytelling is particularly damaging since our first person narrator Ellie is described as a wonderful writer and, indeed, pursues writing as a career. There are numerous scenes in which characters gush about her talent, but her skill is not apparent on the page. Then again, she's also described as “hilarious” by those around her, but I found Ellie’s commentary to be a fairly basic, bare bones description of sex and being a woman.
I had such high hopes but unfortunately, reading Virgin was like most first sexual experiences: it was frustrating, awkward, and the finish was completely underwhelming. Here’s hoping the author’s next outing is far more pleasurable.
I received this book through NetGalley in exchange for an honest review. Thank you to Penguin Group/Signet Romance and to NetGalley for the advance copy!