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beanjoles's review against another edition
dark
emotional
mysterious
reflective
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Sometimes I love Herbert’s way of writing and other times it feels unnecessarily convoluted. There were some poignant and bittersweet moments, but a lot of parts that just felt muddled to me. Sad to say but I never fully grasped the importance of Paul’s prescience and why he felt he couldn't avoid his “Jihad” (word choice that did not age well imo). I’m certain this contributes to why I found elements of the book confusing. That aside, some of the reflections on government, leadership, and cults of personality were incredible and I marked them down for later.
Quote 1 that I liked:
"Here lies a toppled god—
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one."
—TLEILAXU EPIGRAM
Quote 2:
“You produce a deadly paradox,” Jessica had written. “Government cannot be religious and self-assertive at the same time. Religious experience needs a spontaneity which laws inevitably suppress. And you cannot govern without laws. Your laws eventually must replace morality, replace conscience, replace even the religion by which you think to govern. Sacred ritual must spring from praise and holy yearnings which hammer out a significant morality. Government, on the other hand, is a cultural organism particularly attractive to doubts, questions and contentions. I see the day coming when ceremony must take the place of faith and symbolism replaces morality.”
Quote 1 that I liked:
"Here lies a toppled god—
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one."
—TLEILAXU EPIGRAM
Quote 2:
“You produce a deadly paradox,” Jessica had written. “Government cannot be religious and self-assertive at the same time. Religious experience needs a spontaneity which laws inevitably suppress. And you cannot govern without laws. Your laws eventually must replace morality, replace conscience, replace even the religion by which you think to govern. Sacred ritual must spring from praise and holy yearnings which hammer out a significant morality. Government, on the other hand, is a cultural organism particularly attractive to doubts, questions and contentions. I see the day coming when ceremony must take the place of faith and symbolism replaces morality.”
Graphic: Body horror
claudiamacpherson's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
reflective
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Twelve years after the events of Dune, Paul still rules as the Emperor, with his sister as a religious leader at his side. He avoids jihad where he can, but even for someone as all-seeing as the Muad’Dib, some things cannot be avoided. A small group, whose members include the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohiam and Paul’s wife, the Princess Irulan, a Tleilaxu face dancer and a Guild navigator, plots Paul’s demise.
Messiah contains less worldbuilding and far less action than Dune, but (perhaps for those reasons) conveys Herbert’s warning against heroes that much better. We see Paul struggling with the future, trying to find a way to minimize the violence that he foresees, but he can never avoid it completely. Alia, too suffers from her status of near-divinity.
Happy ending meter (no specific spoilers, just the vibe of the ending): Definitely not happy, but more…bittersweet.
Moderate: Addiction, Body horror, Death, Drug use, Genocide, Hate crime, Suicidal thoughts, Violence, Xenophobia, Medical content, Grief, Murder, and Injury/Injury detail
Minor: Child abuse, Child death, Gun violence, Hate crime, Incest, Sexual content, and Colonisation