sarahofstories's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Suicidal thoughts, Cultural appropriation, Suicide, Xenophobia, Racism, Sexism, and Colonisation
Moderate: Trafficking, Violence, Emotional abuse, Kidnapping, Religious bigotry, War, Gun violence, Hate crime, Murder, Police brutality, Slavery, Child abuse, and Death of parent
Minor: Drug abuse, Drug use, and Pandemic/Epidemic
sophiamoonlight's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
Graphic: Classism, Suicidal thoughts, Slavery, Child abuse, Racial slurs, Death, Death of parent, Misogyny, Drug use, Colonisation, Toxic friendship, Sexism, Kidnapping, and Grief
spineofthesaurus's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Injury/Injury detail, Racial slurs, Racism, Self harm, Suicidal thoughts, Toxic friendship, Alcohol, Child abuse, Blood, Colonisation, Violence, Xenophobia, Classism, Death of parent, Death, Gun violence, Hate crime, Medical trauma, War, Body horror, Confinement, Forced institutionalization, Gaslighting, Gore, Grief, Sexual harassment, Suicide, Torture, Emotional abuse, Murder, and Physical abuse
Moderate: Cultural appropriation, Genocide, Vomit, Fire/Fire injury, Homophobia, Mass/school shootings, Misogyny, Police brutality, Religious bigotry, Abandonment, Deportation, Islamophobia, Medical content, Slavery, Terminal illness, Ableism, Child death, Chronic illness, Drug abuse, Drug use, Kidnapping, Sexism, and Trafficking
Minor: Excrement, Infidelity, Car accident, Alcoholism, and Addiction
anastashamarie's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
๐ This review is going to be a doozy. I have a lot of thoughts after this one. As literary fiction exploring the ugly sides of British colonialism and academia, this work is a masterpiece; it's a well-done character study of the pressures and pain of marginalized populations trying to fit into a world that doesn't feel like it wants them. As a work of speculative fantasy (or as a fantasy novel in general), from a storytelling perspective, I have some complaints. But, the method isn't the point and never was, so I've decided that a 5-star review is probably most accurate when I consider this work for what it was meant to be, rather than what I wanted it to be.
๐ I feel like I should start by saying: This is not the story to read if you are trying to escape from the harsh realities of our world. It throws them at you repeatedly, in both subtle and undeniable ways. As a white woman in academia, I'm going to be honest and say this was at times profoundly uncomfortable to read...which is exactly what it was meant to be. To again go with honesty, there were times that the thought crossed my mind that I didn't need to finish this, that I didn't have to spend my weekend feeling angry on behalf of fictional people living these real life injustices. And that's a privilege that needs acknowledged, for there are so many people who can't just "turn off the audiobook" so to speak, not when these stories so closely mirror their daily experience.
๐ R.F. Kuang does an excellent job of keeping the reader engaged despite this discomfort, which is a feat of its own, but is also a terrible contradiction when considering that the overarching moral of this story is to encourage listening to understand, not to respond. Much the same as even writing a review to try to convey my experience also feels antithetical, as this is not a book designed to entertain, but a book to convey emotion and an experience. Yet I still found myself oscillating between being disappointed in the story structure while being blown away by the rhetoric throughout most of the book. So take where's hereafter for what you will; it's far less important than the rest that I've already said.
๐ Do I think this book was unnecessarily long and at times heavy handed? Yes. Do I wish it had a more satisfying conclusion that actually answered the titles promise to explore the necessity of violence? Also yes. But I also feel like it delivers incredibly well in the way that it conveys its broader themes and morals. Let me explain.
For a book about the power of words, this delivers in it's precise use of them to convey it's point and I think, for the most part, does so most successfully at the micro level. I understood fully why the characters did or did not find necessity in violence themselves, how their tragedies unfolded, and why hope may have still remained despite it all. But I think where we're left to struggle is to see if violence was actually something that made a difference on the macro level. For writing that hammered points over the reader's head at times, there is no actual discussion of whether the broad end justifies the means, because we don't actually see a macro level end in the books, just a micro level end for the characters. Maybe that's the point; maybe the purpose is just that we're if we truly listen to characters who never felt heard and that the story HAS to end with them. The existentialist part of me loves the idea that individual meaning trumps the universal experience. The collectivist part kind of hates the idea that only we alone matter in the end. Regardless, especially as a fantasy reader, the loose ends are tough for me.ย
Now, I don't mind ambiguity in a book in general. In fact, I think particularly in books that dive into social issues, nuance is crucial for understanding. This book approaches that nuance incredibly holistically in that it is very precisely, clearly delivered. I think this in part comes from the author's academic career and in part to convey the underlying need to be precise and clear in an attempt to be understood. I just wish the author would have either backed off this directness throughout OR carried it through all the way to the end. Make the point, however unpalatable, or leave it up to the reader to infer entirely. (But I again feel like I should acknowledge that may be easier said than done.)
๐ In the end, I can only truly speak to my experience of this work, as it exists through my own biases and experiences. I hope that honors Kuang's intentions with this story, and I hope that others take the time to read her words. There are so many layers here that I'm sure I'll be unfurling for a while to come.
Graphic: Physical abuse, Racism, Religious bigotry, Slavery, Gun violence, Suicidal thoughts, War, Xenophobia, Child abuse, Violence, Islamophobia, Colonisation, Racial slurs, Suicide, Confinement, Forced institutionalization, Murder, Toxic friendship, Sexism, Sexual harassment, Torture, Gaslighting, Injury/Injury detail, Classism, Death, Death of parent, Emotional abuse, Grief, and Misogyny
Moderate: Addiction, Drug use, Genocide, Alcohol, Trafficking, Cultural appropriation, Fire/Fire injury, Hate crime, Drug abuse, and Kidnapping
gen_wolfhailstorm's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Where do I begin. This was perfection in a novel... Bold words, I know.
This straight away reminded me of a recent read, being Jonathan strange and Mr norrel in tone, but I would say more accessible, which is funny because one of the main things I loved about this novel was how academic this was. I've always liked the idea of dark academia but always thought I'd struggle to understand the information, (probably why I leaned away from this for so long), but it was so reader friendly in its prose and so fascinating that I couldn't help pour over every word. It was so surprisingly easy to read that I barely minded the lack of consistent short chapters.
As well as being visceral in the vibe of the genre, it wasn't shy on having substance.
The plot was thick and intricate, with threads of conspiracies and beautiful detailing on the science behind silver-working (the magic system in this world). The conversations on interpretation, colonialism, building into a corrupt Empire was just so powerful to read about.
The victorian setting was lush, filled with jaw dropping descriptions of an imagined Oxford in what you could call this alternate history, and the early tour of the Institue of Language itself was fascinating.
Speaking of language, the etymology was so thorough, fascinating and deep. I loved seeing how different languages connected, and in this case, paired together to create something quite magical, yet equally dangerous in the wrong (and of course, powerful) hands.
Our characters..Oh what can I say that hasn'y been said before?
I Ioved the friendship demonstrated here, especially between Robin and Ramy. Seeing our main four characters explore Babel from their varying and diverse perspectives and as novice scholars of language was such a delight.
I appreciated getting interludes of the other threes upbringing and history, because the story is mainly told from Robin's perspective, so it was nice to change it up a bit and appreciate a bit more of the other characters. Even if we didn't have that, I could never accuse Robin, Ramy, Victoire and Letty of being flat characters. They felt real.
The whole time, pacing was brilliant. This was especially noticed at times when I was listening to the audio.
I feel like I learned so much during my time in this world. I'm left heartbroken and in awe at the sheer aduacity of excellence R.F. Kuang had in crafting this whole piece together. Coming into this as the first novel I've read from this author, I now understand that all the praise is well deserved and I look forward to trying out her other novels.
A note on the audio - the voices and accents the narrator could flit between was so impressive. He sounded like a BBC news reporter for the first time, but this was quite endearing as time went on.
I loved blended reading this one (physical and audio). It felt like my own little match-pair.
Graphic: Vomit, Injury/Injury detail, Kidnapping, Racism, Gaslighting, Xenophobia, Hate crime, Suicide attempt, Trafficking, Emotional abuse, Gun violence, Torture, War, Colonisation, Misogyny, Toxic friendship, Child abuse, Classism, Death of parent, Deportation, Religious bigotry, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Grief, Death, Slavery, Blood, Mass/school shootings, Murder, Racial slurs, Bullying, Cultural appropriation, and Cursing
Minor: Alcohol, Car accident, Panic attacks/disorders, Physical abuse, and Addiction
shaipanda's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
It got a lot darker in the last 200 pages which I didnโt fully expect so definitely be aware of that but this is just a masterpiece of a book.
R F Kuang is ridiculously skilled at writing about things that she has done incredible amounts of research and study on and this is a great example of thatย
Just an amazing and incredibly impactful read that I will be thinking about for the foreseeable future
Graphic: Colonisation, Death of parent, Murder, Toxic friendship, Emotional abuse, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide attempt, Torture, Xenophobia, Child abuse, Grief, Violence, Domestic abuse, Racism, Blood, Injury/Injury detail, Physical abuse, and Racial slurs
Moderate: War, Classism, Confinement, Suicide, Sexism, Kidnapping, Slavery, and Abandonment
Minor: Vomit, Alcohol, Drug use, Police brutality, Drug abuse, and Addiction
louisegraveyard's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Violence, Abandonment, Cultural appropriation, Death of parent, Gun violence, Injury/Injury detail, Islamophobia, Sexism, Slavery, Chronic illness, Colonisation, Death, Drug abuse, Emotional abuse, Addiction, Blood, Classism, Grief, Murder, Racism, Torture, Toxic friendship, Drug use, Physical abuse, Hate crime, Kidnapping, Misogyny, and Pandemic/Epidemic
athryn's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
2.5
It ultimately ended up a bit stale to me, like the author had a really good grasp of the translation and language stuff, and yet wasn't all that great at actually writing historical fantasy. The characters at Oxford really didn't resonate with me as much as I'd like. The constant modern phrasing in the dialogue just felt off. Don't get me wrong, I love a "fuck the British Empire" and "fuck capitalism" book, but this just ... I dunno. It feels overrated.
Graphic: Cultural appropriation, Death, Slavery, Gaslighting, Racism, Xenophobia, Colonisation, and Violence
Moderate: Classism, Forced institutionalization, Police brutality, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, War, Kidnapping, Toxic friendship, Grief, Gun violence, Hate crime, Murder, Physical abuse, Bullying, Death, Death of parent, and Domestic abuse
Minor: Animal cruelty, Animal death, and Car accident
risaleel's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
Graphic: Classism, Toxic friendship, Colonisation, Misogyny, Sexism, Cultural appropriation, Kidnapping, and Slavery
Moderate: Death of parent, Emotional abuse, Gaslighting, Grief, Suicide, Abandonment, Addiction, War, Genocide, Gun violence, Murder, Physical abuse, and Slavery
Minor: Alcoholism, Blood, and Alcohol
nils_0's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Graphic: War, Colonisation, Death, Physical abuse, Toxic friendship, Violence, Slavery, Abandonment, Alcohol, Blood, Drug use, Drug abuse, Emotional abuse, Murder, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexism, Xenophobia, and Torture
Minor: Kidnapping, Police brutality, Suicide, and Suicide attempt