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kendrashea's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
mysterious
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Moderate: Homophobia, Suicide, Car accident, Death of parent, and Lesbophobia
nickoliver's review against another edition
dark
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
I’m usually not good at picking up bigger books, so I’m quite proud of myself for finally having done it with this one. Overall, I enjoyed it, but it also had some parts that really annoyed me.
The atmosphere in this book was honestly great. Especially the scenes that were supposed to be creepy really were. Not necessarily in an ‘I am going to have nightmares about this’ way, but I will definitely not be able to look at wasps the same way anymore. (Not that I’d liked those aggressive fuckers before, but now even less so.) I was also grossed out a few times, but it wasn’t gratuitous or just there to gross you out.
While the book didn’t put me in a reading slump - which part of me was worried about just based on its sheer size -, it was rather slow-moving and sometimes didn’t have a pay-off. You would wait like 300 pages just for the movie to start being shot, and then you didn’t even get to experience it up close and personal. It was a bit frustrating how much on the outside you were kept sometimes - especially when it came to the movie, because the build-up to it was so detailed and loving that it made it all the more frustrating how we only got glimpses afterward.
It didn’t help that the cast of characters didn’t completely work for me. Basically, there were two different timelines: the present, where they shot the movie about Brookhants and its curse, told from the perspective of three women (Audrey and Harper who were in the movie, and Merritt who wrote the book the movie was an adaptation of). And the past, set in 1902, which told the story of what exactly had happened. Those chapters had two POVs: Libbie, who was the principal of the school, and her lover Alex, with whom she lived with and who also worked at the school.
For the most part, I preferred the past chapters just based on the fact that it felt like there was more happening there and some scenes in the present just didn’t interest me. But also, I really didn’t like Merritt. She was very judgmental, jealous, and just overall unpleasant - she felt like a 80-year-old woman stuck in the body of a 21-year-old with the way she dismissed people immediately based on completely unfounded grounds. And while I was supposed to believe that she changed and, more importantly, became friends and lovers with Audrey (who she’d hated at first sight for no discernible reason), I didn’t get to see that. All of a sudden, she and Audrey liked each other, without there being a believable build-up (or any build-up at all, really). While not every chapter was obviously told from her perspective, she was always there, and that just sullied the present chapters for me at times.
What made Merritt even more unbearable was the writing in her chapters. It was so cringey that it made me feel embarrassed. It’s possible that that was on purpose to emphasise Merritt’s personality, but it just felt like the writing of an edgy teenager trying to be cool and unfazed. Outside of Merritt’s chapters, the writing was sometimes awkward and cringey too, but it just went really off the rails in her chapters.
All main characters, by the way, were sapphic - Harper and Alex were lesbians, Audrey and Libbie were bisexual, and Merritt I wasn't sure about (she was only shown being interested in Harper and Audrey) -, and the relationships were very focal in the story. Though, again, they weren't developed much on-page, at least when it comes to the chapters set in the present. That was disappointing. But Libbie and Alex's relationship was explored a lot, and I was generally just thrilled to read a book that was so distinctly about queer women and put the men on the sidelines a little bit.
The side characters were okay. They weren’t incredibly fleshed-out, but they had just enough meat on their bones that you could call them characters. However - and I don’t know if that was because there were simply too many characters or if it was because they weren’t developed enough -, there were a few people I kept mixing up with each other. Specifically ones in Harper and Audrey’s lives. I kept forgetting the relationships they each had with their mothers - I think that was also because it was kind of a similar one? Harper and Audrey both also had a queer male best friend, and I could not keep those two apart in my brain to save my life. I would be in Harper’s perspective waiting for Noel to show up just for Eric to make an appearance, because he was her best friend and not Noel. It didn’t help that they were very similar in personality (pushovers with kind of a bad influence and zero empathy) and had a seemingly identical relationship with their respective friend.
The story itself was intriguing, yet also confusing at times - especially in the latter half of the book. I was suddenly confronted with plot twists and reveals that I wasn’t even aware I was supposed to expect (for example, everything involving Hanna and Madame Verrett caught me way too off-guard to have made any lasting impact on me), and there were some characters whose importance and place in the story I didn’t really realise until way later when Danforth literally spelt it out for me. Maybe I am just stupid, or maybe I was expected to see some sort of mystery, but none of those things had the intended effect on me - I was mainly just confused and couldn’t keep up.
Now, let me go back to the writing again. The book had an interesting format - it was told from a narrator after the fact, and you were very much made aware that what you were essentially reading was a book. As in, the narrator was the actual author of the story, and they inserted themselves into it frequently. They often addressed the readers and made certain quips about themselves, the latter of which honestly didn’t land that often. For example, when the narrator promised something, why should that have mattered to me? I didn’t know who they were in relation to me or the story. I didn’t know their personality or how likely it was that they would keep or break a promise. So I didn’t like those parts. I honestly think it would’ve been more interesting if the narrator had hinted throughout the book who they were, exactly - not necessarily with a reveal at the end, but just little hints to keep it interesting. I also wasn’t a fan of how the narrator kept telling me how I was supposed to feel. For example, at one point, Merritt and Harper went on a date, and beforehand, the narrator said, ‘I bet you’re exciting to see the date and what happened there!’, except it happened right after I spent an entire chapter reading about Merritt being judgmental and nasty to Audrey, so why should I have wanted to read more about her? And that happened several times, where the narrator told me to feel or act a certain way about something, and it almost never lined up with what I actually felt. And that made it just annoying.
What I did like about the writing, though, were the footnotes. I’m generally a big fan of footnotes, and the ones in here were often very entertaining. Admittedly, there were a few that were so random and unnecessary that I laughed more out of disbelief than actual amusement, but overall, they made the story more entertaining. The only part I mildly disliked was how tiny the asterisks were that led to the footnotes - I often didn’t realise there was a footnote at all until I was at the end of the page, and then I had to spend several seconds just hunting for the asterisk to figure out what the narrator was commenting on.
So, overall, I liked the story. It didn’t completely use all its potential - the writing could’ve been better at times, some of the characters could’ve been fleshed-out more, and parts of the story were too confusing to be enjoyable. The narrator also didn’t let us up and close as much as I would’ve liked, especially in the present chapters. But it kept my intrigue and didn’t put me into a reading slump, which bigger books nowadays often do, and the creepy scenes were done really well. Wasps definitely feel even scarier now.
The atmosphere in this book was honestly great. Especially the scenes that were supposed to be creepy really were. Not necessarily in an ‘I am going to have nightmares about this’ way, but I will definitely not be able to look at wasps the same way anymore. (Not that I’d liked those aggressive fuckers before, but now even less so.) I was also grossed out a few times, but it wasn’t gratuitous or just there to gross you out.
While the book didn’t put me in a reading slump - which part of me was worried about just based on its sheer size -, it was rather slow-moving and sometimes didn’t have a pay-off. You would wait like 300 pages just for the movie to start being shot, and then you didn’t even get to experience it up close and personal. It was a bit frustrating how much on the outside you were kept sometimes - especially when it came to the movie, because the build-up to it was so detailed and loving that it made it all the more frustrating how we only got glimpses afterward.
It didn’t help that the cast of characters didn’t completely work for me. Basically, there were two different timelines: the present, where they shot the movie about Brookhants and its curse, told from the perspective of three women (Audrey and Harper who were in the movie, and Merritt who wrote the book the movie was an adaptation of). And the past, set in 1902, which told the story of what exactly had happened. Those chapters had two POVs: Libbie, who was the principal of the school, and her lover Alex, with whom she lived with and who also worked at the school.
For the most part, I preferred the past chapters just based on the fact that it felt like there was more happening there and some scenes in the present just didn’t interest me. But also, I really didn’t like Merritt. She was very judgmental, jealous, and just overall unpleasant - she felt like a 80-year-old woman stuck in the body of a 21-year-old with the way she dismissed people immediately based on completely unfounded grounds. And while I was supposed to believe that she changed and, more importantly, became friends and lovers with Audrey (who she’d hated at first sight for no discernible reason), I didn’t get to see that. All of a sudden, she and Audrey liked each other, without there being a believable build-up (or any build-up at all, really). While not every chapter was obviously told from her perspective, she was always there, and that just sullied the present chapters for me at times.
What made Merritt even more unbearable was the writing in her chapters. It was so cringey that it made me feel embarrassed. It’s possible that that was on purpose to emphasise Merritt’s personality, but it just felt like the writing of an edgy teenager trying to be cool and unfazed. Outside of Merritt’s chapters, the writing was sometimes awkward and cringey too, but it just went really off the rails in her chapters.
All main characters, by the way, were sapphic - Harper and Alex were lesbians, Audrey and Libbie were bisexual, and Merritt I wasn't sure about (she was only shown being interested in Harper and Audrey) -, and the relationships were very focal in the story. Though, again, they weren't developed much on-page, at least when it comes to the chapters set in the present. That was disappointing. But Libbie and Alex's relationship was explored a lot, and I was generally just thrilled to read a book that was so distinctly about queer women and put the men on the sidelines a little bit.
The side characters were okay. They weren’t incredibly fleshed-out, but they had just enough meat on their bones that you could call them characters. However - and I don’t know if that was because there were simply too many characters or if it was because they weren’t developed enough -, there were a few people I kept mixing up with each other. Specifically ones in Harper and Audrey’s lives. I kept forgetting the relationships they each had with their mothers - I think that was also because it was kind of a similar one? Harper and Audrey both also had a queer male best friend, and I could not keep those two apart in my brain to save my life. I would be in Harper’s perspective waiting for Noel to show up just for Eric to make an appearance, because he was her best friend and not Noel. It didn’t help that they were very similar in personality (pushovers with kind of a bad influence and zero empathy) and had a seemingly identical relationship with their respective friend.
The story itself was intriguing, yet also confusing at times - especially in the latter half of the book. I was suddenly confronted with plot twists and reveals that I wasn’t even aware I was supposed to expect (for example, everything involving
Now, let me go back to the writing again. The book had an interesting format - it was told from a narrator after the fact, and you were very much made aware that what you were essentially reading was a book. As in, the narrator was the actual author of the story, and they inserted themselves into it frequently. They often addressed the readers and made certain quips about themselves, the latter of which honestly didn’t land that often. For example, when the narrator promised something, why should that have mattered to me? I didn’t know who they were in relation to me or the story. I didn’t know their personality or how likely it was that they would keep or break a promise. So I didn’t like those parts. I honestly think it would’ve been more interesting if the narrator had hinted throughout the book who they were, exactly - not necessarily with a reveal at the end, but just little hints to keep it interesting. I also wasn’t a fan of how the narrator kept telling me how I was supposed to feel. For example, at one point, Merritt and Harper went on a date, and beforehand, the narrator said, ‘I bet you’re exciting to see the date and what happened there!’, except it happened right after I spent an entire chapter reading about Merritt being judgmental and nasty to Audrey, so why should I have wanted to read more about her? And that happened several times, where the narrator told me to feel or act a certain way about something, and it almost never lined up with what I actually felt. And that made it just annoying.
What I did like about the writing, though, were the footnotes. I’m generally a big fan of footnotes, and the ones in here were often very entertaining. Admittedly, there were a few that were so random and unnecessary that I laughed more out of disbelief than actual amusement, but overall, they made the story more entertaining. The only part I mildly disliked was how tiny the asterisks were that led to the footnotes - I often didn’t realise there was a footnote at all until I was at the end of the page, and then I had to spend several seconds just hunting for the asterisk to figure out what the narrator was commenting on.
So, overall, I liked the story. It didn’t completely use all its potential - the writing could’ve been better at times, some of the characters could’ve been fleshed-out more, and parts of the story were too confusing to be enjoyable. The narrator also didn’t let us up and close as much as I would’ve liked, especially in the present chapters. But it kept my intrigue and didn’t put me into a reading slump, which bigger books nowadays often do, and the creepy scenes were done really well. Wasps definitely feel even scarier now.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Death, Homophobia, Infidelity, Misogyny, and Sexism
Moderate: Addiction and Alcoholism
Minor: Car accident and Lesbophobia
celery's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
funny
lighthearted
mysterious
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal death, Body horror, Body shaming, Child death, Cursing, Death, Drug use, Gore, Infidelity, Mental illness, Misogyny, Panic attacks/disorders, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Violence, Forced institutionalization, Blood, Vomit, Grief, Stalking, Car accident, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Murder, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , Pregnancy, Fire/Fire injury, Gaslighting, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
brookey8888's review against another edition
dark
funny
mysterious
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
This is such a hard book for me to rate and review. There’s so much I loved about it, but it was just so long and drawn out that I would find myself not caring or interested. It also was hardly spooky except like one part. I really liked all the character interactions and the plot when it happened, but there was just to much explaining. I did really like the queer relationships in this and that was one of my favorite parts. I do like how the author would talk to you at times as well as the footnotes.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Biphobia, Child death, Death, Drug use, Misogyny, Sexism, Forced institutionalization, Blood, Grief, Car accident, Murder, Pregnancy, Lesbophobia, Fire/Fire injury, Gaslighting, Alcohol, and Injury/Injury detail
jessiereads98's review against another edition
dark
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
Plain Bad Heroines is a dual timeline story encompassing a cursed boarding school from the 1900s and the Hollywood movie being made about it today.
This story is told with a very distinctive narrative voice. I enjoyed the humour and snark of it. I for one didn’t mind the footnotes. I can see how this voice and the use of footnotes might grate on some people though. I do wish the narration choice had been explained, as that seemed to be part of the story. I didn’t always care for the frequently repeated Mary MacLane quotes. Some of them worked, but at times it felt forced in and not relevant. I also didn’t understand the refusal to state the year of current timeline, then ultimately revealing it indirectly towards the end.
The sapphic relationships in both timelines play a starring role and it’s main characters are one of the most compelling parts. I enjoyed the relationship between our modern plain bad heroines the most. The relationship between Alex and Libbie was fine, but I found it boring and repetitive at times. I did appreciate the look at historical queer culture and relationships. The relationship between Flo and Clara which the book purports to be partially about is pretty much ignored which is disappointing. I would’ve much rather read about the original Plain Bad Heroines Society and that year at Brookhants from the students’ perspectives than Alex and Libbie’s perspective. Emily Danforth does do a great job comparing and contrasting the two timelines as foils throughout the book.
Unfortunately, side characters who are sorely neglected. I was left wondering throughout the book about Audrey’s mom, Merritt’s parents, and Elaine Brookhants and their stories. Emily Danforth couldn’t seem to decide whether to include these stories or not, so what I was left with as a reader was a bunch of pointless dangling threads.
Bringing things up to leave them unresolved is a common problem in this book. Harper’s family and relationships are brought up a few times, but there never seems to be any point or any furthering of the story surrounding them. Audrey’s friend Noel pops up on occasion seemingly just to tell Audrey that something is bad, as if Audrey and the readers couldn’t already tell. Details are brought up or events happen that are later just ignored or contradicted. There is a whole lot of nothing or wasted pages, which creates problems in pacing. This book drags through the middle and then rushes at the end.
I liked the ending while reading it, it’s immersive in the storytelling and makes sense on its own. However, it does make the previous 600ish pages seem pointless and leave multiple holes. The ending was almost completely unrelated to the story I read, and left several holes. In an ideal world, that ending would’ve been better set up for rather than spending the book on a completely different track not even able to see the track that the ending was on at almost any point. I was left with more questions than answers by the ending.
This did do some horror bits very well. There were times where I found myself legitimately a little scared while reading. Danforth’s use of metafiction to make it so the reader is left unsure along with the protagonist enhances the horror throughout the story.
While I enjoyed this for the most part, it was too long and had too much going on.
This story is told with a very distinctive narrative voice. I enjoyed the humour and snark of it. I for one didn’t mind the footnotes. I can see how this voice and the use of footnotes might grate on some people though. I do wish the narration choice had been explained, as that seemed to be part of the story. I didn’t always care for the frequently repeated Mary MacLane quotes. Some of them worked, but at times it felt forced in and not relevant. I also didn’t understand the refusal to state the year of current timeline, then ultimately revealing it indirectly towards the end.
The sapphic relationships in both timelines play a starring role and it’s main characters are one of the most compelling parts. I enjoyed the relationship between our modern plain bad heroines the most. The relationship between Alex and Libbie was fine, but I found it boring and repetitive at times. I did appreciate the look at historical queer culture and relationships. The relationship between Flo and Clara which the book purports to be partially about is pretty much ignored which is disappointing. I would’ve much rather read about the original Plain Bad Heroines Society and that year at Brookhants from the students’ perspectives than Alex and Libbie’s perspective. Emily Danforth does do a great job comparing and contrasting the two timelines as foils throughout the book.
Unfortunately, side characters who are sorely neglected. I was left wondering throughout the book about Audrey’s mom, Merritt’s parents, and Elaine Brookhants and their stories. Emily Danforth couldn’t seem to decide whether to include these stories or not, so what I was left with as a reader was a bunch of pointless dangling threads.
Bringing things up to leave them unresolved is a common problem in this book. Harper’s family and relationships are brought up a few times, but there never seems to be any point or any furthering of the story surrounding them. Audrey’s friend Noel pops up on occasion seemingly just to tell Audrey that something is bad, as if Audrey and the readers couldn’t already tell. Details are brought up or events happen that are later just ignored or contradicted. There is a whole lot of nothing or wasted pages, which creates problems in pacing. This book drags through the middle and then rushes at the end.
I liked the ending while reading it, it’s immersive in the storytelling and makes sense on its own. However, it does make the previous 600ish pages seem pointless and leave multiple holes. The ending was almost completely unrelated to the story I read, and left several holes. In an ideal world, that ending would’ve been better set up for rather than spending the book on a completely different track not even able to see the track that the ending was on at almost any point. I was left with more questions than answers by the ending.
This did do some horror bits very well. There were times where I found myself legitimately a little scared while reading. Danforth’s use of metafiction to make it so the reader is left unsure along with the protagonist enhances the horror throughout the story.
While I enjoyed this for the most part, it was too long and had too much going on.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror and Death
Moderate: Drug use, Suicide, Vomit, and Lesbophobia
Minor: Alcoholism, Grief, Car accident, Death of parent, and Alcohol
uhhlexiconic's review against another edition
dark
emotional
mysterious
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.0
More akin to a textbook than a novel, and perhaps twice as long as it needs to be, Plain Bad Heroines pulls every ounce of tension out of its material and and dilutes some of its stronger attributes.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Death, Panic attacks/disorders, and Violence
Moderate: Car accident
flamesocks's review against another edition
dark
funny
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Cursing, Death, Drug use, Homophobia, Panic attacks/disorders, Suicide, Car accident, Death of parent, Lesbophobia, Gaslighting, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Biphobia, Mental illness, Toxic relationship, Grief, and Pregnancy
thekatreturns's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
funny
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
I adored this book. I won’t say too much so as not to spoil it, but it was my favorite read of the year. It feels like a rebuttal to the way that horror stories are often told, but beyond being a statement about the world, it is frightening, engaging, and deeply, darkly funny in its own right. The main cast is almost entirely lesbian and bisexual women who are distinct and flawed and real and so interesting to watch interact. That said, unless I missed something, the main cast is all white Americans with some degree of class privilege. The class aspect is intentional and absolutely commented upon, for what that’s worth, and the supporting cast is racially diverse, so that’s why I marked “it’s complicated” for diversity. I knocked a half point off because I wanted more worldbuilding out of the ending, for what was revealed then to be discussed as it relates to the previous events of the book, but the very last chapters were immensely satisfying nonetheless. I would highly recommend this to horror fans of all kinds, metafiction fans, those who like stories interweaving the past and present, anyone into Fraught Female Friendships, and those who just love really wonderful-in-all-their-flaws queer woman characters.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Death, Mental illness, Suicide, Gaslighting, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Cursing, Drug use, Homophobia, Misogyny, Sexism, Sexual content, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , Lesbophobia, Fire/Fire injury, Outing, and Classism
Minor: Addiction, Alcoholism, Biphobia, Racism, Violence, Car accident, Murder, and Pregnancy
Insects, specifically yellowjackets, feature heavily in this book. They are included in nearly all of the horror elements. For me, graphic=extremely unavoidable, long, plot crucial elements. moderate= plot or thematically relevant, but don’t stand out as particularly graphic. Minor=not described in detail.penofpossibilities's review against another edition
slow-paced
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
1.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Child death, Death, Drug use, Hate crime, Misogyny, Stalking, Murder, Pregnancy, Lesbophobia, and Sexual harassment
Moderate: Addiction, Violence, Forced institutionalization, Vomit, Car accident, Fire/Fire injury, Abandonment, and Alcohol
Minor: Fatphobia, Dementia, Abortion, and Death of parent
eleanora's review against another edition
dark
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Death, and Grief
Moderate: Mental illness, Forced institutionalization, Pregnancy, and Gaslighting
Minor: Homophobia, Rape, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Dementia, Car accident, Abortion, Fire/Fire injury, and Alcohol