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If We Were Villains by M.L. Rio

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_verena_'s review against another edition

dark tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Plot
Strong character development? No
Loveable characters? No
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? No

3.0

I sit with my wrists cuffed to the table and I think, but then I forbid to tell the secrets of my prison house, I could a tale unfold whose lightest word would harrow up thy soul...

- If We Were Villains, 1%

🎧 listened to the audiobook

Review in one word:
Meh

Short review:
I do get the hype... Somehow...
But there are definitely some weak spots in this story!

Long review:
As somebody who doesn't really care about Shakespeare at all (yes I said it!) and never read any of his work, neither in English, nor in German, I'm not that impressed with everybody quoting him all the time. Actually I find it annoying, pretentious and boasting rank and status. Simply too much.
I guess this book hits different, when you are into Shakespeare - I'm not, and that is totally on me.
Or maybe it's not, because if I wanted to read that much Shakespeare in a book, I would actually pick up one of his works 🤷‍♀️

Much like in The Secret History, to which this is often compared, I didn't like or dislike any of the characters.
I feel indifferent about them. I don't care about them. They are quite flat and superficial...
For example Richard:

he is the evil guy who hurts everyone. That's it. No explanation as to why he is like that (childhood trauma? Drug/alcohol abuse? Mental health issues?) is offered, not that this would excuse him, but him being the guy who just hurts everybody is like the laziest character building ever.

Or Meredith,

whose main and only character trait is stunningly sexy and beautiful rich girl (don't even get me started on the misogyny 😡)

Oliver:

naive outsider who doesn't get along with his own family, so he seeks it in his classmates.

The rest of the thespians:

mixed them up most of the time because they were so interchangable. Somebody was doing drugs a lot, somebody was gay and somebody else was Richards cousin.

I don't see, why people are obsessing about the characters so much.
In my opinion they aren't really as close or as much the found family as Oliver (the narrator) claims them to be...

I feel like this book could have been shorter, because at around 60% the suspense really dies down and I found it became quite a drag. That was surprising to me, because at the beginning I was so invested, I couldn't stop listening and it was definitely a candidate for a 5 star read. I think the reason, why it felt like a drag was because there was no more mystery all of a sudden. Just the characters trying to move on and yet another play and endless quotes, that was painfully long executed. At that point, I probably would have liked it better, if there were some character building instead of more Shakespeare quotes.

I found some parts very unrelatable. For example

that no one says something, when Richard hurts them during rehearsal. It is absolutely unacceptable to treat people like that, James' arms are bruised for god's sake, how did he get away with this for so long? This is not understandable at all.

Also: why do these people life in a castle?

Some storylines didn't make sense and were killed off like two seconds after they were introduced:
Example:

Oliver's parents telling him, they can't afford tuition for his last semester anymore. Oliver then calls a few people the next day and they help him figure it out by suggesting a loan. That's it, never heard of this storyline again. What's the point?
And: why did Oliver cover up for James? Makes no sense at all!

I found some things to be quite confusing too, like:

Why did Richard worry that James or Oliver would hit on Meredith, when he thought they were "queer with each other"? Makes no sense...

By the way, while we are on the topic: why is this labeled LGBTQ? This is such a tiny part of the story.

I absolutely don't get the point of the ending:

We find out about James having killed himself at around 95% (but in the timeline 4 years ago), and then he probably didn't by 99%, who knows? Why would he fake his death, it makes no sense. How would that help him relieve his guilt?
Seems like the author desperately tried to go out with a bang here...

I did enjoy it somehow but I do have mixed feelings about this. For this to be a great read for me, something was missing...

Conclusion:
I enjoyed The Secret History way more and I find this to be rip-off with boring and annoying theatre students instead of Ancient Greek lessons...

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dark emotional mysterious reflective sad tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.5

The Setup: If We Were Villains by M.L. Rio is a masterful blend of dark academia and psychological thriller that captivates readers with its intricate plot and rich Shakespearean elements. Set in the fictional but elite Dellecher Classical Conservatory, the novel follows a group of seven acting students whose lives start to mirror the tragedies they perform on stage.

The book is organized in Acts, and each prologue, the story is framed by Oliver Marks' release from prison after ten years. On the day of his release, he recounts the events leading up to a classmate's death to Detective Colborne, the retiring investigator who never quite believed the official story. Each proceeding Scene then details the fateful year where the classmates and friends fall apart. As the students' final year progresses, their tight-knit group fractures under the weight of secrets and the pressures of the roles they play. The death, *cough cough*, murder of their classmate becomes the catalyst for the unraveling of their lives.

What I Loved: The writing was absolutely beautiful - truly. I was not only immersed but awed. M.L. Rio clearly knew what she was doing. Her portrayal of the Dellecher Conservatory was absorbing, capturing the intensity and passion of young actors devoted to their craft. The characters, each representing a Shakespearean archetype, were vividly drawn and complex. Additionally, the novel's exploration of themes such as ambition, jealousy, loyalty, and artistry's cost was thought-provoking and emotionally resonant.

I think what I loved most was M.L. Rio's ability to make almost unlikeable characters real. What do I mean? She made unlikeable characters that you didn't necessarily and automatically like by the end, but unlikeable characters that you still want to read about. It was gripping and interesting; you were curious about what came next, what they would do, and how they would break. I was captured! It takes well-done artistry to make me love a book with characters I wasn't fond of. I've heard that some folks find the pacing of this book slow, but I didn't, and I was enamored the whole way, particularly at the end when we learn the entire truth about the events that occurred at Dellecher.

Why Not 5 Stars? For one, I completely guessed the events that occurred to that fateful classmate. I had thought it the moment his classmates and friends found his body. Therefore, it wasn't as mysterious and surprising ("thriller-like") as I had imagined. However, I didn't mind too much because I still enjoyed reading.

Additionally, Rio's use of Shakespearean dialogue and references no doubt enriched the story - the characters frequently quoted and drew parallels from Shakespeare's plays, adding depth to their interactions and the unfolding drama. It was a precise literary device to enhance the novel, making it atmospheric and underscoring the themes explored's timeless nature. I wholeheartedly understood the point, but here's the thing: I struggle with Shakespeare so much. I knew that going into this book, I didn't like reading Shakespeare, and I didn't like the language and prose. My brain breaks. So, I braced myself. I did a pretty good job for someone who doesn't love Shakespeare, but it still meant I struggled along the way.

With all that said, this novel was clearly compelling and beautifully written, offering a fresh take on the dark academia genre. I know this book will linger in my mind, including that interesting and obscure ending.

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madalina0_0's review against another edition

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challenging dark emotional mysterious reflective sad tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

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emilywemily6's review against another edition

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dark mysterious tense slow-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? No
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? No

4.25

Even with my limited Shakespeare knowledge, I still really enjoyed this book. Though I feel like a true thespian would get a lot more out of this book and recognize many intentional parallels the author drew to Shakespeare’s work. I hope to revisit this book in the future when I am more acquainted with his body of work. This novel felt theatrical and dramatic but in a way that is realistic to collegiate theater students. I found the overall descent into madness fascinating and I was intrigued by the characterization of the entire cast. I wish there was more depth/backstory to some characters though, like Richard especially. I also loved the idea of Macbeth by the lake and Romeo and Juliet in the middle of a ball! I didn’t particularly like the ambiguous ending because of how I feel the characters would have likely acted; I’m not convinced the ending honors how I feel the characters would have acted, but overall I could see the character progression and understand if not agree with their choices. The course of the mystery was pretty predictable but that made it satisfying.

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meeklovestoread's review against another edition

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challenging dark emotional mysterious sad tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated

4.25

Wow! Just wow! You know ever since I started reading again two years ago. I've seen this book many times and it's never tickled my fancy until probably towards the end of last year to the beginning of this year. However, although, it was on my radar I never had the inclination to pick it up till recently. And I'm so glad and annoyed that I took so long to pick this up because I felt like I read it at a great time because I waited until I was in the mood for it. But I'm annoyed because I ended up really enjoying this book and I could've enjoyed it sooner if I had read it sooner, but I genuinely believe that I read this at the right time, and at the end of the day, I read it and that's all that matter.

Not gonna lie, the first 70 pages weren't too intriguing to me. I find the overwhelming amount of characters overwhelming (you get used to it after a bit). When I was around the 40-page mark I was like "okay, where are we going with this?" I feel the inclination of dnfing creeping through, but I decided to let this book cook cuz I was only 40-something pages in at that point and I'm sooooo glad I did because this book did in fact deliver.

I think those first 70 pages served as an intro into the dynamics of the characters, the story, the setting/environment, and the Shakespearean culture of it all. And then after that a certain a event happened and I was HOOKED after that. I really liked the writing. I enjoyed reading about the characters and the dynamics that each of them has with the main character, Oliver.

I loved the crumbs that we got of Oliver and James. Kinda wished we got more so it could be more convincing because I wasn't feeling it too much on James's side considering I do believe he felt strongly for Wren too. But I did enjoy how their story was told as well as how his dynamic with Meredith was intertwined their story I do believe he loved them both; I just think he loved James more.

Now I have read a book similar to this called, "In My Dreams, I Hold a Knife" by Ashley Winstead. I really enjoyed that book and gave it the same rating as I gave this one, however, although both books tackle the same underlying plot the way they're executed is completely different.

One thing about "In My Dreams, I Hold a Knife" is that it is more drama-centered and the characters, including the main character, are more unlikeable. However, it leans into the mystery aspect way more and like I stated previously much more drama-focused and dives more into the characters' personal lives than "If We Were Villains" did. And because of that, I really enjoyed it because it was just so entertaining. (so, I feel like if you didn't like this book, you might that one, but take note of all the things I listed above)

However, one thing "If We Were Villains" has over "In My Dreams, I Hold a Knife" is that it is more emotional. In my opinion, the characters, including the main character, are more likable in this book than the other one. And the way it's written (not saying that "In My Dreams, I Hold a Knife" is written badly; I love Ashley's writing) is more nuanced and ornate that it provides a lot more thought-provoking and diverse emotions from the characters that it makes you feel more for them and the story. I think the inclusion of Shakespearean dialogue both adds and takes away from the story. I've only read two of his famous plays and that was a bit ago so some lines were familiar, but for the most part, I didn't really understand much if I'm being honest (proof that you don't need to know Shakespeare to read this, however, I think the added knowledge might help for a better reading experience), so at times it was a little annoying reading stanzas of dialogue that I didn't understand, however, some of the texts that I was able to interpret I felt did add to the story and it just set the atmosphere for real well for me. So although the Shakespearean dialogue could be annoying, I wouldn't take it out.

Overall, I was pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoyed this book. I totally get why someone wouldn't like this and would think it was boring though. I feel like you really have to like the characters and their dynamics to enjoy this one. It's not common that I like books that are character driven so I didn't go into it expecting to love it and really feel for the story and the characters, but that's what ended up happening and I'm just so happy that this book ended up being worth the hype for me. I really like how the author writes and hopefully will read more from them in the future.

I do feel like the statuses of the other characters were a bit inconclusive though. We never knew anything about their personal lives so I really wished we got more about them and how they were doing. Goes to show how much I connected to these characters I guess if I'm asking for me.😅

Note: Totally recommend the audiobook for this. At first, I found myself hoping that there was both a male and female narrator however after a while I realized that the male narrator does a great job of differentiating the voices and making you aware of who's who.

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citlalialvrod's review against another edition

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dark emotional reflective sad medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Plot
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.0

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laguerrelewis's review against another edition

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dark emotional mysterious reflective sad tense medium-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.75

This book is exactly what it says on the tin, for good and for bad. After a somewhat slow climb, it gets exponentially more engaging in its back half, but it never quite feels like the throes of its passion are earned. It does get close at the end there, though. The biggest hurdle I encountered as a reader in 2024 is that the particular white wealthy 2017-flavor of pretentiousness of the characters leads to some… ickiness. Read the content warnings, I beg.

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reneeravenlake's review against another edition

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dark emotional mysterious reflective sad tense slow-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? It's complicated
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

4.5

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taryn_g's review against another edition

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challenging dark mysterious tense slow-paced

Plot- or character-driven? Character
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? Yes
Diverse cast of characters? No
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

3.5

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komiification's review against another edition

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adventurous dark emotional mysterious tense fast-paced

Plot- or character-driven? A mix
Strong character development? Yes
Loveable characters? It's complicated
Diverse cast of characters? Yes
Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes

5.0

Definitely a good introduction to anyone interested in getting into literary fiction, particularly of the dark academia nature. A more fast-paced take on the same premise in The Secret History, yet distinctly stands apart from that story and takes on an artstyle of its own.

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