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pocketspoon's review against another edition
adventurous
lighthearted
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
2.0
The author clearly had fun turning arabian-nights-like tales on their heads a bit, and it is definitely fun and clever in some ways. However, there is a lot here that is really problematic, not least of all the general and persistent misogyny of the main character. I'm afraid that learning to love one smart, capable woman doesn't make him not sexist. In the very last pages he is giving away his (previously extensively fat-shamed) relatives as chattel to the villain. But it's okay, because he's handsome and actually wants them because they're not uncooperative like the kidnapped princesses, so they're into it?!
I also find it annoying that the Howl's Moving Castle characters all have babies in this book, as if that's the only possible progression of a young woman's life/story. You could explain some of this away as "satire, not endorsement" but this is a kids' book, and kids don't get sattire; they're going to see women being constantly compared to each other (and generally criticized and found wanting) by the male protagonist, who is pretty unlikeable and shitty, but is still somehow the hero of the story. He rides in and attaches himself to the escape plan the princesses were already working on, and then one of them has to agree to marry a slimeball just so he won't eat them out, and the men get all the credit for the rescue. And a bunch of other toxic stuff.
I also find it annoying that the Howl's Moving Castle characters all have babies in this book, as if that's the only possible progression of a young woman's life/story.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Confinement, Misogyny, Sexism, Xenophobia, and Kidnapping
Moderate: Body shaming and Fatphobia
Minor: Animal cruelty, Slavery, and War
therainbowshelf's review against another edition
adventurous
funny
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
I wasn’t impressed with this book as a teen who just wanted more adventures with Howl and Sophie, but I enjoyed this reread. It was so fun waiting for my husband to discover the connection with Howl and Sophie, and I was not disappointed by his reaction! I also liked how this started out as an Aladin retelling, but then went off on its own adventure.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body shaming
Moderate: Confinement, Sexism, and Kidnapping
Minor: Murder and Classism
Toxic familyminzzi's review against another edition
adventurous
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.0
This book was a big desapointement, specially coming out of Howl's Moving Castle.
The plot was mildly entertaining and I liked some of the new side characters and the ones from the previous book that showed up. Beyond that, I don't have much nice to say.
Basically all the non-white characters were racist stereotypes written by a white woman. The people from Zanzib are described as all being greedy scammers who will do all matter of horrible things for money and power and the one asian princess is described as small, frail, quiet and the only one who doesn't speak the language that all the other characters seen to speak, even thou they are all from different places in the world. And that line were the main character says that Ingary (a place clearly inspired by England were most of not all people are white) was sooo much better and more beautiful than his homeland really bothered me.
Also, for some reason the men in this book are very misogynistic. In the previous book there was no such thing, or at least it wasn't part of the story. Woman worked and owned their own shops, they maried who they wanted and were over all independent and powerful, but in this book there is multiple instances were they are controlled or shamed for their apparence. The only time the main characters thinks the way a female character is being treated is wrong is only because he thinks "she is to beutiful to be treated like that". Big eyeroll moment. And most os the misogyny coming from the POC in the story didn't help either.
To close if of, the romance on this book sucks. I reeeeally don't like storys were the characters know each other for 5 minutes and are already in love, specially in cases like this were the male main character is obsessed with a woman only for her looks, without knowing nothing about her and for some reason the female love interest loves him back and that is seen as a completely normal thing.
<Spoiler> I was going to give this book 2.5 stars, but that scene near the end were the soldier coerces one of the princesses into marriage or else he is going to help the villain keep then captive really upset me. So just 2 stars it is. <Spoiler>
The plot was mildly entertaining and I liked some of the new side characters and the ones from the previous book that showed up. Beyond that, I don't have much nice to say.
Basically all the non-white characters were racist stereotypes written by a white woman. The people from Zanzib are described as all being greedy scammers who will do all matter of horrible things for money and power and the one asian princess is described as small, frail, quiet and the only one who doesn't speak the language that all the other characters seen to speak, even thou they are all from different places in the world. And that line were the main character says that Ingary (a place clearly inspired by England were most of not all people are white) was sooo much better and more beautiful than his homeland really bothered me.
Also, for some reason the men in this book are very misogynistic. In the previous book there was no such thing, or at least it wasn't part of the story. Woman worked and owned their own shops, they maried who they wanted and were over all independent and powerful, but in this book there is multiple instances were they are controlled or shamed for their apparence. The only time the main characters thinks the way a female character is being treated is wrong is only because he thinks "she is to beutiful to be treated like that". Big eyeroll moment. And most os the misogyny coming from the POC in the story didn't help either.
To close if of, the romance on this book sucks. I reeeeally don't like storys were the characters know each other for 5 minutes and are already in love, specially in cases like this were the male main character is obsessed with a woman only for her looks, without knowing nothing about her and for some reason the female love interest loves him back and that is seen as a completely normal thing.
<Spoiler> I was going to give this book 2.5 stars, but that scene near the end were the soldier coerces one of the princesses into marriage or else he is going to help the villain keep then captive really upset me. So just 2 stars it is. <Spoiler>
Content Warnings
Moderate: Body shaming, Fatphobia, Misogyny, Racism, Sexism, and Kidnapping
juli100101's review against another edition
adventurous
funny
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
Dinge, die ich mochte:
- das Worldbuilding
- die Sprache in Zanzib
- den Soldaten und die Katzen
- Blume-in-der-Nacht in Kapitel 19
- Sophie und alle anderen aus Das wandelnde Schloß wieder zu treffen
Dinge, die ich nicht mochte:
- wie Abdullah von seinen Nichten redet und denkt
- wie Abdullah und einige andere Charaktere von Frauen reden und denken
- dass die Charaktere aus Kingsbury nicht sexistisch und fettfobisch sind, sondern nur die aus Zanzib (Kingsbury ist offensichtlich eine „westliche“ Stadt und Zanzib eine „orientalische“…)
Wer ein Sequel zu Das wandelnde Schloß erwartet, also eine Fortsetzung der Geschichte, getragen von den selben Charakteren, wird enttäuscht, trotzdem erzählt Der Palast im Himmel eine tolle Fantasy-Geschichte.
- das Worldbuilding
- die Sprache in Zanzib
- den Soldaten und die Katzen
- Blume-in-der-Nacht in Kapitel 19
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Dinge, die ich nicht mochte:
- wie Abdullah von seinen Nichten redet und denkt
- wie Abdullah und einige andere Charaktere von Frauen reden und denken
- dass die Charaktere aus Kingsbury nicht sexistisch und fettfobisch sind, sondern nur die aus Zanzib (Kingsbury ist offensichtlich eine „westliche“ Stadt und Zanzib eine „orientalische“…)
Wer ein Sequel zu Das wandelnde Schloß erwartet, also eine Fortsetzung der Geschichte, getragen von den selben Charakteren, wird enttäuscht, trotzdem erzählt Der Palast im Himmel eine tolle Fantasy-Geschichte.
Content Warnings
Moderate: Fatphobia, Misogyny, and Sexism
merin_aran's review against another edition
adventurous
funny
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.0
- Enchanting, whimsical and fun (mostly). Has much of the same wit and humour that I really enjoyed in the first book, however...
- The new main characters were a bit disappointing. I found Abdullah and the soldier a bit lacklustre and annoying at times and I didn't warm to them much.
- I really wanted more of the OG characters that I fell in love with previously - they are in it, but remain in disguise through most of the book, which was a shame because they were such a big part of why I loved the first book.
- There were also definitely some problems with exoticism and racial stereotyping that changed the vibe of the book - I don’t think it was malicious but rather outdated ignorance and you can tell that Jones is not writing about her own culture.
- There was also a fair bit of fat-shaming and misogyny from the main character too, which is probably why I really didn’t like him tbh
- Overall an ok book, but the characterisation and problematic writing let it down.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Kidnapping
Moderate: Fatphobia and Racism
Minor: Sexism
bpop's review against another edition
adventurous
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Kidnapping
Moderate: Racism and Sexism
bexi's review against another edition
adventurous
lighthearted
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
Disappointing. Not nearly as good as Howl's Moving Castle.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Kidnapping
Moderate: Confinement, Fatphobia, and Sexism
Minor: Blood
natrossi's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
funny
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Confinement, Fatphobia, and Kidnapping
Minor: Sexism
pennym_'s review against another edition
adventurous
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.5
Content Warnings
Moderate: Body shaming and Fatphobia
Minor: Confinement and Sexism
littlecat's review against another edition
adventurous
lighthearted
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
1.5
< spoiler> I really liked Howls Moving Castle and wished to have the sequel for my birthday blindly, now I regret it a bit.
The first thing that irked me was the sterotpyical orientalism at the beginning I though something would happen and invert it somehow, the first book does some clever things with fairytale tropes but there is none of that here.
And then the whole lot of fatphobia happens, there is love at first sight a trope i always disliked, and the sexism of the main character makes it really hard to root for him and his "romance", and the tone of the book for 2/3 of the run also felt like ... a downgrade, like it was writen for a much younger audience
the last 112 pages are better in terms of writing and now Sophie is there, and we do meet the princess and Flower-in-the-night gets to be a character (though main character does his best to ignore that) and I wish it had been there book instead, what a nice turn of fairytale tropes would it be to be about kidnapped princess from their viewpoint?
The first thing that irked me was the sterotpyical orientalism at the beginning I though something would happen and invert it somehow, the first book does some clever things with fairytale tropes but there is none of that here.
And then the whole lot of fatphobia happens, there is love at first sight a trope i always disliked, and the sexism of the main character makes it really hard to root for him and his "romance", and the tone of the book for 2/3 of the run also felt like ... a downgrade, like it was writen for a much younger audience
the last 112 pages are better in terms of writing and now Sophie is there, and we do meet the princess and Flower-in-the-night gets to be a character (though main character does his best to ignore that) and I wish it had been there book instead, what a nice turn of fairytale tropes would it be to be about kidnapped princess from their viewpoint?
Content Warnings
Moderate: Confinement, Fatphobia, Racism, and Sexism
It is very orientalism, very ninthteenhundered idea of "arabian nights".