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carcharadon's review against another edition
challenging
emotional
reflective
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
5.0
epimetheus_b's review against another edition
4.0
Top-notch speculative fiction. The high concept (the goddess Athene helps time travellers set up the Just City modelled on Plato's Republic) was fascinating for a start, but the author develops that idea into an extended meditation on agency and consent. If I have a complaint, it would be that Athene functions too much as a plot device and easy foil in the story. I would have liked to better understand her motives and point of view. Ultimately she seems more the Athena who was challenged by Arachne than the goddess who helped Odysseus.
andreacpowers's review against another edition
3.0
I have read and loved some books by Jo Walton and this is not one of them. It wasn't boring; I finished it but it doesn't fit into what my conception of a novel is. But then I don't like reading books where the characters talk and talk.
bookmarkhoarder's review against another edition
dark
funny
reflective
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
olivetales's review against another edition
informative
reflective
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
dawnwich's review against another edition
4.0
One of the wonderful and somewhat frustrating things about this author is that all of her books are completely different. Personally, I think this is because she is truly creative and has integrity. But it does make picking up one of her books an adventure because you do not know if you will love it as much as the last one.
In this case, after Among Others and My Real Children, I would read her grocery lists. However after those books, this book was disappointing to me. It's thoughtful, geeky, and interesting just like her other books, but something about it is not sitting right with me. Is it putting too much modern morality into the past? Is it turning Apollo into a very modern character with a hint of a Mary Sue character going on? Or is it just that I haven't read enough Plato to be in the book's target audience? At any rate, I enjoyed this book and happily read it, but as soon as I put it down I started trying to figure out why I didn't like it more than I did. But I have to give it four stars, just for the wonderful Socratic (literally!) dialogues and because I love Athena. Not sure if I will read the other books in this series. I do have some curiosity about where she is going with the plot and an interest where good ole' Mary Sue will wind up.
In this case, after Among Others and My Real Children, I would read her grocery lists. However after those books, this book was disappointing to me. It's thoughtful, geeky, and interesting just like her other books, but something about it is not sitting right with me. Is it putting too much modern morality into the past? Is it turning Apollo into a very modern character with a hint of a Mary Sue character going on? Or is it just that I haven't read enough Plato to be in the book's target audience? At any rate, I enjoyed this book and happily read it, but as soon as I put it down I started trying to figure out why I didn't like it more than I did. But I have to give it four stars, just for the wonderful Socratic (literally!) dialogues and because I love Athena. Not sure if I will read the other books in this series. I do have some curiosity about where she is going with the plot and an interest where good ole' Mary Sue will wind up.
harmonictempest's review against another edition
5.0
Don’t *you* want to read about how Greek gods use time travel and future robots to see how well Plato’s ideal city (from The Republic) will work?
Jo Walton is an excellent writer with crisp characters voices and a lovely style that is remarkably clear and simple without feeling childish. It serves her well here because she has multiple characters who are either very innocent or very naive and their viewpoints allow treating gently some difficult topics like trauma and prejudice and rape. It’s also pretty bold to believe that you can believably write Socrates, but the author pulls it off smoothly.
The ideas themselves are geeky and fun, and you don’t really need to have read Plato to enjoy the book, though you do need to be game for characters debating in the Socratic style about all kinds of things.
Jo Walton is an excellent writer with crisp characters voices and a lovely style that is remarkably clear and simple without feeling childish. It serves her well here because she has multiple characters who are either very innocent or very naive and their viewpoints allow treating gently some difficult topics like trauma and prejudice and rape. It’s also pretty bold to believe that you can believably write Socrates, but the author pulls it off smoothly.
The ideas themselves are geeky and fun, and you don’t really need to have read Plato to enjoy the book, though you do need to be game for characters debating in the Socratic style about all kinds of things.
lauralibraia's review against another edition
challenging
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.5
craicerjack's review against another edition
challenging
hopeful
informative
reflective
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.5
Really interesting read but its not a page turner. And it only seemed to get going when the first book ended.