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suicidylan_epub's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
mysterious
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.25
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Dostoievsky desarrolla un juego casi humorístico de la condición humana más exacerbada y derivada en un círculo de inestabilidad. Su protagonista, el hombre del subsuelo, es despreciable en un modo correspondiente a la visión infundada y malévola con que percibe sus acciones. Pero es una maldad consciente de sí, tanto como de su incapacidad de superar la bajeza moral en su presunción de autoproclamarse a sí mismo como malvado. No menos cierto es que mediante él aún así se percibe la empatía del autor por el rechazo a la estructura social parodiada correctamente en el libro.
Por otro lado, ese choque entre la esencia intelectual e ilustrada de su personaje no concuerda asolutamente con este pseudo-romanticismo hacia su visión personal. Así sucede que tanto su relato como su preámbulo dialogado sobre la concepción externa hace de Memorias del Subsuelo un retrato rico en interpretaciones. Mediante cada párrafo Dostoievsky planea hilos de oraciones arropadas por una frialdad y egolatría que le dan un easpecto real y realizable.
Un último triunfo es el de la novela en tratarse como un texto autobiográfico que tiene como finalidad la singular presencia del titubeo en que su ridículo protagonista se ve envuelto. Cierto es, como especifico en los tags, que no hay un amplio desarrollo de personaje; no por ello hemos de negarle la impotrancia del relato presente. ¿Qué quiere decir con la hisoria de Liza y los compañeros de escuela? Para mí es una presencia de los antecedentes de la alienación como un suceso perdurable respecto a la formación de los individuos, a quienes el protagonista percibe como patéticos y canones risibles de la comunión social rusa. Del mismo modo percibe en un inicio a Liza, no mas que un ser maleable a voluntad de la maldad; mas explora las peculiaridades de la ternura en su debilidad por la sensación, comprendiendo dos miradas distintas de ese romanticismo grotesco retratado en la obra: el de la bondad pasional y la maldad alienante .
Brillante, un libro que me acompañó bastante (no atrajo del todo mi interés, pero sus atributos son evidentes).
Dostoievsky desarrolla un juego casi humorístico de la condición humana más exacerbada y derivada en un círculo de inestabilidad. Su protagonista, el hombre del subsuelo, es despreciable en un modo correspondiente a la visión infundada y malévola con que percibe sus acciones. Pero es una maldad consciente de sí, tanto como de su incapacidad de superar la bajeza moral en su presunción de autoproclamarse a sí mismo como malvado. No menos cierto es que mediante él aún así se percibe la empatía del autor por el rechazo a la estructura social parodiada correctamente en el libro.
Por otro lado, ese choque entre la esencia intelectual e ilustrada de su personaje no concuerda asolutamente con este pseudo-romanticismo hacia su visión personal. Así sucede que tanto su relato como su preámbulo dialogado sobre la concepción externa hace de Memorias del Subsuelo un retrato rico en interpretaciones. Mediante cada párrafo Dostoievsky planea hilos de oraciones arropadas por una frialdad y egolatría que le dan un easpecto real y realizable.
Un último triunfo es el de la novela en tratarse como un texto autobiográfico que tiene como finalidad la singular presencia del titubeo en que su ridículo protagonista se ve envuelto. Cierto es, como especifico en los tags, que no hay un amplio desarrollo de personaje; no por ello hemos de negarle la impotrancia del relato presente.
Brillante, un libro que me acompañó bastante (no atrajo del todo mi interés, pero sus atributos son evidentes).
Content Warnings
Moderate: Bullying, Misogyny, Gaslighting, Alcohol, and Classism
Minor: Emotional abuse and Sexual content
stindex's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
sad
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Confinement, Death, Emotional abuse, Misogyny, Suicidal thoughts, Violence, Grief, and Toxic friendship
nvrrrdie's review against another edition
dark
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
I read the Norton Critical Reader with translation by Michael Katz.
As of writing this review I have not yet finished reading all of the (useful) added texts/criticisms appended to the novel.
Essentially this novel is a response to the utopian ideals presented by rationalist philosophy as it began gaining cultural prominence in 19th ce Russia. Dostoevsky counters the utopian idea with the image of a man who is irrational. The underground man is vain and obsessed with suffering and torments others while not gaining anything from such behaviour - particularly Liza, the unwitting witness of his shame and misery onto whom he unleashes his aggression.
The perfect and deterministic rationalism that Notes responds to suggests that prosperity is the only advantageous quality for the improvement of mankind's condition. It will correlate to modernity and achievement. Notes questions this, asking whether suffering may not also have its advantage and whether people would actually behave in such a manner that rationalism suggests - this appears doubtful to Dostoevsky.
There is also discussion of rationalism + determinism that I have difficulty summarizing right now. I don't know if I would consider this correct upon review but it may read as the anxiety of a culture that is no longer sure of free will and has to reckon for the first time with the suggestion of determinism. Although the novel may argue against it, I don't know if I find it particularly clear or compelling. I would prefer to turn to much later and more contemporary works on the subject for a more satisfying reply.
Overall I did find this of some interest especially because I do also prefer to reject utopias or the supposed linear growth and progress /achievement of civilization - I think those are mistaken and limited in perspective. My understanding of this novel is far from complete right now and I think I kind of get how it is trying to disrupt the questionable basis of the views of his contemporaries. But as for effectively driving that point home in part ii either it's beyond my grasp or it's just not quite there.
Chuckled a lot because I too am a indulgent hermetic freak who is deeply sick from my own consciousness (I think these qualities are important to note as how Dostoevsky intends to present his countermodel to the rational character) but like...... yikes man! glad I'm irrational but not THAT bad << joke but also he is horrible. as intended.
As of writing this review I have not yet finished reading all of the (useful) added texts/criticisms appended to the novel.
Essentially this novel is a response to the utopian ideals presented by rationalist philosophy as it began gaining cultural prominence in 19th ce Russia. Dostoevsky counters the utopian idea with the image of a man who is irrational. The underground man is vain and obsessed with suffering and torments others while not gaining anything from such behaviour - particularly Liza, the unwitting witness of his shame and misery onto whom he unleashes his aggression.
The perfect and deterministic rationalism that Notes responds to suggests that prosperity is the only advantageous quality for the improvement of mankind's condition. It will correlate to modernity and achievement. Notes questions this, asking whether suffering may not also have its advantage and whether people would actually behave in such a manner that rationalism suggests - this appears doubtful to Dostoevsky.
There is also discussion of rationalism + determinism that I have difficulty summarizing right now. I don't know if I would consider this correct upon review but it may read as the anxiety of a culture that is no longer sure of free will and has to reckon for the first time with the suggestion of determinism. Although the novel may argue against it, I don't know if I find it particularly clear or compelling. I would prefer to turn to much later and more contemporary works on the subject for a more satisfying reply.
Overall I did find this of some interest especially because I do also prefer to reject utopias or the supposed linear growth and progress /achievement of civilization - I think those are mistaken and limited in perspective. My understanding of this novel is far from complete right now and I think I kind of get how it is trying to disrupt the questionable basis of the views of his contemporaries. But as for effectively driving that point home in part ii either it's beyond my grasp or it's just not quite there.
Chuckled a lot because I too am a indulgent hermetic freak who is deeply sick from my own consciousness (I think these qualities are important to note as how Dostoevsky intends to present his countermodel to the rational character) but like...... yikes man! glad I'm irrational but not THAT bad << joke but also he is horrible. as intended.
Content Warnings
Moderate: Misogyny and Rape
The underground man forces himself onto Liza to punish her for humiliating him.shibbie's review against another edition
dark
reflective
sad
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Emotional abuse, Mental illness, Misogyny, Sexism, and Violence
Moderate: Bullying and Classism
Minor: Rape and Alcohol
hjb_128's review against another edition
dark
emotional
reflective
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Misogyny, Sexism, Alcohol, and Classism
Moderate: Bullying and Confinement
jeremie's review against another edition
dark
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Misogyny
saomah5566's review against another edition
challenging
dark
emotional
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Mental illness, Misogyny, Sexism, and Classism
Moderate: Bullying, Confinement, Alcohol, and Classism
Minor: Rape, Sexual violence, and Suicidal thoughts
i_write_on_occasion's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
A reflection of a character with a fascinating mind. Some parts are dated and a bit uncomfortable, but I am able to look past them
Content Warnings
Graphic: Mental illness and Violence
Moderate: Misogyny
Minor: Sexual content and Alcohol
filipa_maia's review against another edition
challenging
emotional
reflective
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
This was my first time reading Dostoevsky and, for me, his writing is a middle ground between confusing and brilliant.
This is a very heavy and dense book but that completely transmits to the reader the utter caos that is going on in the main character's head. His feelings of not want to belong to the society but, at the same time, being alone. He wants to be left alone but wants to be noticed. He wants to be independent from others but wants to be loved.
Confusing!
Brilliant!
This is a very heavy and dense book but that completely transmits to the reader the utter caos that is going on in the main character's head. His feelings of not want to belong to the society but, at the same time, being alone. He wants to be left alone but wants to be noticed. He wants to be independent from others but wants to be loved.
Confusing!
Brilliant!
Content Warnings
Graphic: Misogyny, Sexism, Toxic relationship, Toxic friendship, Alcohol, and Classism
Moderate: Bullying, Emotional abuse, and Abandonment
kikalox's review against another edition
challenging
dark
reflective
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.5
Content Warnings
Moderate: Misogyny