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bergha1998's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
Multi-POV, Romance Subplots, Hidden Identity
āPain loses its power when other things become more important.ā
āTruth can never be defeatedā¦ Even if people do forget about it occasionally.ā
āWhen you canāt find reason in life, you tend to give up on it.ā
āJoy was more than just an absence of discomfort.ā
Graphic: Cursing, Colonisation, Death, Injury/Injury detail, Slavery, Violence, Suicide, Abandonment, Blood, Chronic illness, Classism, Confinement, Fire/Fire injury, Genocide, Grief, Murder, Racism, and War
navyredrose's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Graphic: Death, Torture, Murder, Xenophobia, Violence, Suicide, Sexism, and Religious bigotry
Moderate: Injury/Injury detail, Gore, Fire/Fire injury, Death of parent, Cultural appropriation, Mental illness, Genocide, Dysphoria, and Chronic illness
kpiedmonte's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.0
Moderate: Religious bigotry, Violence, and War
Minor: Sexism, Murder, and Misogyny
lakinglaze's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Moderate: Confinement, Death of parent, Pandemic/Epidemic, Suicidal thoughts, War, Child death, Colonisation, Death, Fire/Fire injury, Hate crime, Abandonment, Alcohol, Classism, Grief, Injury/Injury detail, Kidnapping, Murder, Body horror, Physical abuse, Religious bigotry, Torture, Violence, Blood, Genocide, Chronic illness, Gore, Mental illness, Sexism, Slavery, and Suicide
mahra's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
However, the pacing was a bit off. The story took a while to pick up certain characters (not the main character, though). I liked the ending but not the way it was written. The POVs were changing very rapidly and it was not enjoyable to read. I also had a few issues with the prose.
Graphic: Body shaming, Colonisation, Abandonment, Religious bigotry, Violence, Murder, Misogyny, Fire/Fire injury, Injury/Injury detail, Death, Physical abuse, and War
proza's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.75
Graphic: Chronic illness, Classism, Colonisation, Death, War, Terminal illness, Violence, Cultural appropriation, Genocide, Grief, Death of parent, Suicide attempt, Physical abuse, Self harm, Murder, and Suicidal thoughts
Moderate: Pandemic/Epidemic, Sexism, Abandonment, Child death, and Misogyny
Minor: Blood and Cannibalism
auliarach's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
Graphic: Body horror, Genocide, Gore, Slavery, Death, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, Physical abuse, Religious bigotry, Violence, War, and Chronic illness
rynaissanceenby's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
There also seemed to be a few too many twists. Every time you started to get comfortable with the plot progressing, there was some major twist thrown into it. Normally, twists bring excitement and intrigue to a book, but in this case, it almost started feeling monotonous because of how many there were.
I also find it very dubious that
Despite it's flaws, I still enjoyed the book. I think it had some interesting reflections on the role religion can play in a society and the inner conflicts it can incite in people. There was also political intrigue galore and rich cultural worldbuilding. It was fun to see little Easter eggs from Sanderson's other Cosmere books.
Graphic: Death, Murder, and Violence
Moderate: Suicide, Religious bigotry, and Misogyny
zea_d_writing's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.5
When I first read Elantris, I loved it. I was fairly new to Sandersonās work at that point and was kind of blown away by it all. The worldbuilding is detailed. The magic system is unique and interesting and complex and visual. The plot is a slow burn full of political intrigue that builds to a fairly satisfying crescendo of a climax before wrapping up nice and neat.Ā
I was also in a fairly different place in life when I first read it; physically, mentally, and socially.Ā
So I picked Elantris up again this year as the first book in my big Cosmere re-read and hadā¦a very different experience of this book the second time around.Ā
I still generally enjoyed it, donāt get me wrong. But it very quickly became very obvious that this was early in Sandersonās career before he not only grew as an author but also (hopefully) as a person.Ā
The story itself is not as clean as Iāve come to expect from Sandersonās work. The worldbuilding isnāt as deeply intricate nor as subtly incorporated in this book as with his others. The plot and pacing are much slower and kind of stagnates in places. And the charactersā¦the characters in this book are Sandersonās weakest.Ā
Sarene is damn close to being a Mary Sue without the self insert aspect nor a tragic backstory. Sheās damn near perfect and isnāt shown to have many flaws (if any) that actually affect her arc and actions within the story. Sure, she seems to have some self-esteem issues. But that never stops her from being proud of herself, being confident, standing up for herself, etc. Sure, she claims that she isnāt attractive and no one wants herā¦but goes on to charm every single male character in the book including the antagonist. She can sword fight better than anyone, sheās an expert in politics and intrigue, she can solve puzzles and see patterns, sheās amazing at making public speeches at a moments notice, and the list goes on and on. She doesnāt read as a realistic human. She reads like an idealized independent yet feminine woman.Ā
It gets nauseating at some point.Ā
And I canāt say Raoden is much better, despite the fact that heās my favorite of the three main POV. Something about him just made him pop off the page a little more than the others.
Hrathen I also found more interesting as a character and I feel he also had more internalized weaknesses and faults that actually impacted his arc and story, but he still didnāt feel entirely consistent. And honestly his āturning pointā in the book, while not entirely out of the blue, also didnāt feel entirely earned either.Ā
ALL OF THIS ASIDE, the poorer characterization isnāt actually what made me so disappointed in this reread.Ā
What really caught me off guard during this reread was the blatant ableism, sexism, fatphobia, and racism throughout this book.Ā
I knew, in the greater discussion of Sanderson as an author, that his earlier work contained a lot of biases he held before he very publicly started having discussions with his fan base about these issues, listening to the affected groups, and started implementing sensitivity readers. I knew all this, but I also hadnāt read his older work in a good long while in order to remember the extent of it.Ā
As a disabled individual, I think there could be some really interesting discussions had about the Elantrians. How the Shaod can happen to anyone, at any time, without warning. How, instead of taking care of the Elantrians and giving them the tools to be able to take care of themselves, they are cast out of society and expected to fend for themselves within a system that intentionally isolates and impoverishes them.
I think there are really solid discussions to be had here. And I have no doubt this was the intention on Sandersonās part.Ā
However, the execution of exploring disability through this lens fell flat for me. Overshadowed by the blatant ableism displayed by all of the characters, how the aspect of chronic pain was āsolvedā in the narrative, and the use of the magical cure trope and how it applied to the only autistic character.Ā
And I found that that was a theme throughout the book in regards to both the casual and overt sexism, fatphobia, xenophobia, and racism. The book tried to address SOME of these issues but always failed to do so with any nuance or authenticity. In many cases these problems werenāt being addressed at all and were simply there in the text or, worse, acknowledged and even joked about.Ā
Iām not going to go into full detail on the long list of examples for these issues (the autistic coded character, the autistic character being magically cured, how both Shuden and Galladon are often referred to by their race instead of names, how Raoden - a pale skinned character - puts on an illusion to make him appear to be the same race/nationality as Galladon - a dark skinned character - and has Galladon pose as his servant, the rapey joke made by Roial, the numerous fatphobic jokesā¦etc) because if I did the review would be too long but the list is unfortunately far longer than I expected it to be upon going into this reread.Ā
Overall, this book has a lot of problems. I like the plot and the story as a whole. I think some of the characters are interesting. And the magic system is easily the best aspect of the book.Ā
It was also fun to see the first appearance of Hoid in the Cosmere.Ā
If I didnāt already know that Sanderson is learning to do better, has taken steps to mitigate further harm, and improved in these specific areas in future books, I wouldnāt continue reading him based on this book alone.Ā
Thankfully, he has. So, for now, Iāll continue to read.Ā
I just might not be revisiting this one again.Ā
And hopefully, when Sanderson finally gets around to writing in Sel again, heāll fix some of these problems when he does.
Graphic: Fatphobia, Classism, Ableism, Chronic illness, Death, Violence, Injury/Injury detail, Murder, and War
Moderate: Misogyny, Racism, Colonisation, and Eating disorder
petitemass15's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.75
Graphic: Death, Violence, and Injury/Injury detail
Minor: War, Death of parent, and Murder