jarichan's review against another edition
4.0
Ein Buch, das ich schon seit längerer Zeit lesen wollte. Es interessierte mich einfach und ich wollte in Erfahrung bringen, weshalb dieser Titel noch immer so aktuell ist.
Somit eine weitere Wissenslücke geschlossen und tatsächlich ist es ein weises und intelligentes Werk. Nicht, dass ich Pro Krieg bin, aber aus taktischer Sicht behält Sun Tzu hier völlig Recht. Auch beschreibt er, wie man mit möglichst wenig Verlust durch den Krieg kommt und auch, dass man Städte nicht plündern sollte.
Ausserdem kann man bestimmt auch einiges daraus nin den Alltag mitnehmen. Man weiss ja nie....
Somit eine weitere Wissenslücke geschlossen und tatsächlich ist es ein weises und intelligentes Werk. Nicht, dass ich Pro Krieg bin, aber aus taktischer Sicht behält Sun Tzu hier völlig Recht. Auch beschreibt er, wie man mit möglichst wenig Verlust durch den Krieg kommt und auch, dass man Städte nicht plündern sollte.
Ausserdem kann man bestimmt auch einiges daraus nin den Alltag mitnehmen. Man weiss ja nie....
jayden_peti's review against another edition
3.0
Fang Runin made Sun Tzu seem more intresting then he was.
Still good tho.
Still good tho.
spookybookylonnie's review against another edition
4.0
I didn't know what to expect going into this one, but I'm glad I did. It was different and not usually something I'd pick up, outlining military tactics. It was written really well though, making for an interesting and enlightening read.
abrar22's review against another edition
4.0
Takeda Shingan, famous Japanese military leader had this battle standard called, FURINKAZAN, which means fast as the wind, silent as a forest, ferocious as fire and immovable as a mountain. He was invincible in all battles. Guess how he achieved that? Because of studying this book!
Before starting, I thought it's outdated(since written 2500 years ago) and had a litany of chinese military strategies. But I was so engrossed after reading the first chapter which ends with these lines, " If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ". I think I will reread this soon again and quote lines in every situation like a pseudo intellectual reader.
Before starting, I thought it's outdated(since written 2500 years ago) and had a litany of chinese military strategies. But I was so engrossed after reading the first chapter which ends with these lines, " If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ". I think I will reread this soon again and quote lines in every situation like a pseudo intellectual reader.
rebecanunez's review against another edition
3.0
Interesante. Nunca lo había leído, pero siempre me llamo la atención. Es cierto que si bien habla de la guerra, tiene otras aplicaciones. Hay conceptos que son un poco de sentido común, pero verlos complicados igualmente tiene otro valor.
sbenzell's review against another edition
4.0
Second reading of this short and intriguing classic continues being rewarding. Some observations:
>the sayings clearly anticipate the concept of a mixed strategy Nash Equilibrium (eg do what your enemy doesn’t expect u to do, and deceive them into the opposite — it’s clear that the equilibrium of both sides doing this is the MSNE)
>having ready Han Fei since my first read, I now notice more Sun Tzu’s suspicion of and (somewhat?) adversarial relationship with his officers and troops much more. Sun shares Han Fei’s insistence on keeping the strategy secret even from ones own men — a concept foreign to western ideas of independent small - unit decentralized decision making, which have proven themselves so successful since first being popularized by German ‘storm troopers’ during WWI —- another aside: isn’t it funny how Star Wars uses storm troopers as bumbling fools with little tactical acumen, given that their premise is the opposite? Maybe this has to do with how the term was abused under the nazi regime —- that says Sun Tzu does recommend treating new recruits with humanity at first to build a personal relationship between retreating into distant strict discipline encorcement
> one difference between the new audible translation and my previous one were the names for different types of “ground”. My favorite is the type where your soldiers will be forced to fight to the death (ofc, Sun tzu recommends trapping your own troops in this position some times). This translation calls it “desperate ground” while my previous one called it “death ground” which is much more badass.
>the sayings clearly anticipate the concept of a mixed strategy Nash Equilibrium (eg do what your enemy doesn’t expect u to do, and deceive them into the opposite — it’s clear that the equilibrium of both sides doing this is the MSNE)
>having ready Han Fei since my first read, I now notice more Sun Tzu’s suspicion of and (somewhat?) adversarial relationship with his officers and troops much more. Sun shares Han Fei’s insistence on keeping the strategy secret even from ones own men — a concept foreign to western ideas of independent small - unit decentralized decision making, which have proven themselves so successful since first being popularized by German ‘storm troopers’ during WWI —- another aside: isn’t it funny how Star Wars uses storm troopers as bumbling fools with little tactical acumen, given that their premise is the opposite? Maybe this has to do with how the term was abused under the nazi regime —- that says Sun Tzu does recommend treating new recruits with humanity at first to build a personal relationship between retreating into distant strict discipline encorcement
> one difference between the new audible translation and my previous one were the names for different types of “ground”. My favorite is the type where your soldiers will be forced to fight to the death (ofc, Sun tzu recommends trapping your own troops in this position some times). This translation calls it “desperate ground” while my previous one called it “death ground” which is much more badass.