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jocie_roller's review against another edition
dark
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.0
Whew.
This book was a lot. Of a lot of things. A lot of pages, for one. At over 1150 pages, I believe this is the longest book I have ever read by a margin of 100s of pages. *Most* of these pages were well worth reading. I'm guessing that my review of this massive tome will also be quite long because I have a lot to say on this one.
Where to start? This book was good. Very good actually. Stephen King is a master of suspense and horror as well as crafting a large cast of believable characters and imagining a whole town with such impeccable detail, I could probably draw you a map. Most of the hundreds of pages that make up this book are a testament to how intimately King knew the people, history, and geographic makeup of Derry which were clearly conveyed to the reader in a way that built tension and intrigue rather than inundate the reader with wordy details (although it did that at times, too).
I really enjoyed the narration provided by the members of The Losers. At age 11-12 and set in the late 1950's, Stephen King really captured the experience and language of his characters on the cusp of their teenage years. They are so endearingly fascinated by sex, drugs, swear words, and independence while maintaining an awareness - sometimes resentfully, sometimes gratefully - of their innocence and childness. Each of the Losers are unique and expertly well rendered, which is a challenge considering there are seven of them. With each experiencing being an outcast for a variety of reasons, this book adeptly explores inclusion, acceptance, and platonic love in a surprisingly lovely way.
King navigated a lot of complex themes in this book, some more deftly than others. It - the interdimensional, shapeshifting, child-eating monster that often takes the appearance of Pennywise the Dancing Clown, is a representation of Fear itself and preys on children because their fears are least logical and therefore easier to take advantage of. But I also felt that It represented the sociopolitical funk of a poor, post-industrial-boom, small American town manifested as racism, bigotry, xenophobia, toxic environmental degradation, paranoia, poverty, domestic violence, and multi-generational childhood trauma. I suppose some of these can be grouped in with fear (i.e. xenophobia, paranoia), but I prefer to think of It as a representation of Evil in all forms. The reason It appears to children as more literal monsters is because their understanding of real human evil is less developed. I like the image of evil possessing the very structure of American culture and it's interesting to think about children being both the primary victim of hate and evil but also the only ones who possess the imagination and clarity to destroy it.
BUT it's not like the themes of bigotry and violence aren't explicitly stated by King. They are actually a bit too explicit to downright fucked up in some parts. Some are additive to the plot, some are not. And thus, I will provide my List of Spoilers/Content Warnings/Worst Scenes From This Book That Almost Made Me Stop Reading:
CW: Homophobia, anti-gay murder
In 1984, a gay couple are targeted by a gang of men who verbally assault them, violently beat them up, and eventually throw one of the gay men over a bridge with the intention of killing him. He survives the fall but is killed by It. The f-slur and other homophobic language is used a lot. The police investigating the crime are also homophobic in a way that feels like Stephen King himself doesn't condemn using a gay-panic defense.
CW: Racism, KKK, lynching, death by burning
In the 1920's, Derry's Black community starts a Black speakeasy night club after being excluded from other businesses. It becomes more successful than other speakeasies and gradually becomes patronized by young white people. This angers the local members of the KKK who burn down the speakeasy on a busy weekend killing nearly 100 people. A survivor remembers seeing a gigantic bird - one of It's forms, flying away from the scene as people burn. There are gruesome details of people burning alive and the N-word and other racists slurs are used a lot.
CW: Child murder, Sexual assault between children, psychopathic animal/pet killing with sexual arousal
One of the 11-13 year old bully characters is revealed to be a psychopath. In a scene between him and his friend, another male bully, he sexually assaults his friend while masturbating. Later, in the same scene, readers learn that, at age 5, he killed his infant brother by smothering him with a pillow. The official cause of death is SIDS. Readers then learn that he has been catching local pets and suffocating them in a junk yard refrigerator which arouses him. He is eventually killed by It.
So most of these scenes are included to show how messed up this town is and always has been (It has existed since the creation of the universe). Point taken.
I include these spoilers in my review, not to tell you NOT to read this book, just to prepare you that the killer clown scenes are not the only horrors to be encountered in this book. All these scenes happen beyond the core plot of the book and are just extra bits that King included for the sake of capital-H Horror. Don't get me wrong, I know that this book is a horror book. There's an implicit CW by the nature of the genre. I think it's worth having a discussion over whether or not these truly horrific scenes are actually worth including and I'm not sure exactly where I land. Some of them feel like they set the tone of horror and evil which is at the root of this story, some just feel like Stephen King wanted to shock and disturb his audience under the guise of effective story-telling. I watched the 2017 and 2019 film adaptations which (unsurprisingly) left out most of the non-essential and controversial side-plots and I thought there was plenty of horror content - both monster related and non-monster related, without them. But the reason I enjoy horror as a genre is because it can really explore the true evils of the human condition and intentionally make you be horrified by them. Child-eating clowns are terrifying, but so is bigoted hate so powerful it can lead someone to murder.
Relatedly, Stephen King's use of racial and bigoted slurs, including the N-word, is excessive. Yes, this book was written in the 1980s; yes, violent anti-Black racism was an explicit part of the story and it makes contextual sense that racist characters in 1958 would use this language. I don't actually condemn the use of slurs by a white author in general. I think it can be an effective way to evoke disgust because readers should be disgusted by racism. But the egregiousness with which King uses this language is telling. Like Quentin Tarantino, you won't convince me that these old, white men don't get off just a little bit on using these words to "advance their art." Plus, making contextually racist characters use slurs is one thing, but making marginalized characters use slurs to describe themselves is completely inappropriate for a white author who cannot fully understand the power that slurs have. Having a Black character call themselves the N-word or a Jewish character call themselves the K-slur does condone that language in a context which King, who is not Black or Jewish, has absolutely no right to do.
Ok. Whew. Now on to The Scene. I knew about The Scene before reading this book and I'm glad I did. I was even prepared to accept it as essential to the plot as I know many die-hard fans do. I don't. If you don't know what The Scene is and are considering reading this book, I do recommend you find out because you will be totally unprepared by it in a way that might even ruin the book for you.
CW: child sex
In The Scene,the seven Losers, who are, I'll remind you, ELEVEN years old, engage in a coercive orgy in the sewage where It lives. The explanation is that they need to strengthen their bond as friends and make a metaphorical transition between childhood and adulthood to defeat It and escape the tunnels. The Scene is graphic and not contextualized to be horrific - rather as a necessary character arc that ties many of the themes together.
I've read so many takes on this Scene by other critics and I hear the arguments, but don't accept them. The Scene is abhorrent, unnecessary, and sick. If King still stands by this ending today (he does), he should be flamed for it.
2019 It Part 2 Movie Spoiler:I did LOVE that the 2019 movie (which casted King himself as a cameo) made a running joke that Bill, the Loser who grew up to be a famous horror author, had a widely hated ending to his most popular book. King's cameo character himself turned down an offer for Bill to sign his copy of Bill's book because "the ending sucked." Touché, Mr. King. Touché.
And that's all I have to say on The Scene.
Ok, so all and all, how do I rate this book. I have half a mind to just leave it unrated. It can't be a five-star book. It's too disturbing and far too long. The whole thing feels like Stephen King had gotten too popular for an editor to effectively trim some of the fat where needed. But there's a sick brilliance here too that I can't deny. This man can write. This book is at times revolting, wordy, and confusing (The ritual to defeat It is basically one giant acid trip). But other times it's hilarious, endearing, and effectively scary which is what I wanted when I picked this book up.
I don't know if I would recommend anyone read this book, and yet, four stars.
This book was a lot. Of a lot of things. A lot of pages, for one. At over 1150 pages, I believe this is the longest book I have ever read by a margin of 100s of pages. *Most* of these pages were well worth reading. I'm guessing that my review of this massive tome will also be quite long because I have a lot to say on this one.
Where to start? This book was good. Very good actually. Stephen King is a master of suspense and horror as well as crafting a large cast of believable characters and imagining a whole town with such impeccable detail, I could probably draw you a map. Most of the hundreds of pages that make up this book are a testament to how intimately King knew the people, history, and geographic makeup of Derry which were clearly conveyed to the reader in a way that built tension and intrigue rather than inundate the reader with wordy details (although it did that at times, too).
I really enjoyed the narration provided by the members of The Losers. At age 11-12 and set in the late 1950's, Stephen King really captured the experience and language of his characters on the cusp of their teenage years. They are so endearingly fascinated by sex, drugs, swear words, and independence while maintaining an awareness - sometimes resentfully, sometimes gratefully - of their innocence and childness. Each of the Losers are unique and expertly well rendered, which is a challenge considering there are seven of them. With each experiencing being an outcast for a variety of reasons, this book adeptly explores inclusion, acceptance, and platonic love in a surprisingly lovely way.
King navigated a lot of complex themes in this book, some more deftly than others. It - the interdimensional, shapeshifting, child-eating monster that often takes the appearance of Pennywise the Dancing Clown, is a representation of Fear itself and preys on children because their fears are least logical and therefore easier to take advantage of. But I also felt that It represented the sociopolitical funk of a poor, post-industrial-boom, small American town manifested as racism, bigotry, xenophobia, toxic environmental degradation, paranoia, poverty, domestic violence, and multi-generational childhood trauma. I suppose some of these can be grouped in with fear (i.e. xenophobia, paranoia), but I prefer to think of It as a representation of Evil in all forms. The reason It appears to children as more literal monsters is because their understanding of real human evil is less developed. I like the image of evil possessing the very structure of American culture and it's interesting to think about children being both the primary victim of hate and evil but also the only ones who possess the imagination and clarity to destroy it.
BUT it's not like the themes of bigotry and violence aren't explicitly stated by King. They are actually a bit too explicit to downright fucked up in some parts. Some are additive to the plot, some are not. And thus, I will provide my List of Spoilers/Content Warnings/Worst Scenes From This Book That Almost Made Me Stop Reading:
CW: Homophobia, anti-gay murder
CW: Racism, KKK, lynching, death by burning
CW: Child murder, Sexual assault between children, psychopathic animal/pet killing with sexual arousal
So most of these scenes are included to show how messed up this town is and always has been (It has existed since the creation of the universe). Point taken.
I include these spoilers in my review, not to tell you NOT to read this book, just to prepare you that the killer clown scenes are not the only horrors to be encountered in this book. All these scenes happen beyond the core plot of the book and are just extra bits that King included for the sake of capital-H Horror. Don't get me wrong, I know that this book is a horror book. There's an implicit CW by the nature of the genre. I think it's worth having a discussion over whether or not these truly horrific scenes are actually worth including and I'm not sure exactly where I land. Some of them feel like they set the tone of horror and evil which is at the root of this story, some just feel like Stephen King wanted to shock and disturb his audience under the guise of effective story-telling. I watched the 2017 and 2019 film adaptations which (unsurprisingly) left out most of the non-essential and controversial side-plots and I thought there was plenty of horror content - both monster related and non-monster related, without them. But the reason I enjoy horror as a genre is because it can really explore the true evils of the human condition and intentionally make you be horrified by them. Child-eating clowns are terrifying, but so is bigoted hate so powerful it can lead someone to murder.
Relatedly, Stephen King's use of racial and bigoted slurs, including the N-word, is excessive. Yes, this book was written in the 1980s; yes, violent anti-Black racism was an explicit part of the story and it makes contextual sense that racist characters in 1958 would use this language. I don't actually condemn the use of slurs by a white author in general. I think it can be an effective way to evoke disgust because readers should be disgusted by racism. But the egregiousness with which King uses this language is telling. Like Quentin Tarantino, you won't convince me that these old, white men don't get off just a little bit on using these words to "advance their art." Plus, making contextually racist characters use slurs is one thing, but making marginalized characters use slurs to describe themselves is completely inappropriate for a white author who cannot fully understand the power that slurs have. Having a Black character call themselves the N-word or a Jewish character call themselves the K-slur does condone that language in a context which King, who is not Black or Jewish, has absolutely no right to do.
Ok. Whew. Now on to The Scene. I knew about The Scene before reading this book and I'm glad I did. I was even prepared to accept it as essential to the plot as I know many die-hard fans do. I don't. If you don't know what The Scene is and are considering reading this book, I do recommend you find out because you will be totally unprepared by it in a way that might even ruin the book for you.
CW: child sex
In The Scene,
I've read so many takes on this Scene by other critics and I hear the arguments, but don't accept them. The Scene is abhorrent, unnecessary, and sick. If King still stands by this ending today (he does), he should be flamed for it.
2019 It Part 2 Movie Spoiler:
And that's all I have to say on The Scene.
Ok, so all and all, how do I rate this book. I have half a mind to just leave it unrated. It can't be a five-star book. It's too disturbing and far too long. The whole thing feels like Stephen King had gotten too popular for an editor to effectively trim some of the fat where needed. But there's a sick brilliance here too that I can't deny. This man can write. This book is at times revolting, wordy, and confusing (The ritual to defeat It is basically one giant acid trip). But other times it's hilarious, endearing, and effectively scary which is what I wanted when I picked this book up.
I don't know if I would recommend anyone read this book, and yet, four stars.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Body horror, Body shaming, Bullying, Child abuse, Child death, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Homophobia, Pedophilia, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Xenophobia, Blood, Vomit, Police brutality, Antisemitism, Cannibalism, Suicide attempt, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, Sexual harassment, and Injury/Injury detail
annaofjesup's review against another edition
challenging
dark
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
5.0
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Bullying, Cursing, Death, Homophobia, Sexual content, and Blood
Moderate: Body horror, Body shaming, Child abuse, Child death, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Infertility, Mental illness, Misogyny, Pedophilia, Racial slurs, Racism, Toxic relationship, Violence, Forced institutionalization, Vomit, Antisemitism, Medical content, Grief, Cannibalism, Medical trauma, Stalking, Death of parent, Murder, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , Fire/Fire injury, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Toxic friendship, and Alcohol
elikapaarnia's review against another edition
dark
mysterious
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Bullying, Death, Fatphobia, Gore, Racism, Blood, and Cannibalism
Moderate: Sexual content
jackbifrost's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
emotional
reflective
sad
tense
medium-paced
4.5
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Body horror, Body shaming, Bullying, Child abuse, Child death, Death, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Homophobia, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexual content, Suicide, Violence, Blood, Grief, Cannibalism, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Confinement, Gun violence, Infidelity, Mental illness, Panic attacks/disorders, Sexual violence, Terminal illness, Forced institutionalization, Excrement, Kidnapping, Stalking, Death of parent, and Schizophrenia/Psychosis
Minor: Vomit, Toxic friendship, and Classism
cinderrunner's review against another edition
adventurous
dark
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
1.0
Please excuse any typing errors as I am too lazy to edit
There are some good things about this book, but the bad significantly outweigh them. This is one of the most needlessly offensive and problematic books i have ever read. The only thing horrifying about this novel is that King had the audacity to include so much needless hatred and is still being praised for it. The level of racism, sexism, pedophilia/sexualization of minors, anti semitisim, etc is FAR beyond anything that is warranted by the plot and its honestly inexcusable. If you took a shot everytime King used the N word with a hard R, you'd die of alcohol poisoning somewhere between the one third and halfway mark. King is constantly using language and scenarios that sexualize Beverly, constantly mentioning the way her 12 year old body is maturing, painting her as a (and im quoting here) "whore" from almost every chatacters POV. Shes even sexualized in her own POVs.Bill's catatonic wife is literally likened to a blow up doll at a sex store Richie is known for doing voices and almost all of them are racist stereotypes, his go to one being the charactature of a black child like you'd see in a minstrel show. They are constantly using Stan being jewish as a punchline. It feels intentional that the jewish character is the one he kills before they even get together as adults , the female is the one who spends her whole life abused, and the black character is the one King cast to stay in Derry and remain poor while the others prosper as adults . And this isnt even the big shit like the ENTIRE CHILD SEX SCENE. With literal 11 to 12 year olds. Which King has never retracted or apologized for (from what I've seen) but only said it aged poorly cause people now are more sensitive....like its irrational to take offense to an adult writing kids having a, for lack of a better term, gang bang. And again, most of this is completely irrelevant to the plot and could have been excluded with zero detriment to the story. I will admit that if you are writing about minorities and setting it in the 50s, a certain level of bigotry is warranted. But the level to which King took it is gross and uncalled for. He could have just as easily NOT written any minority characters if this is his idea of representation. The fact that he, of his own freewill, wrote this level of offensive stereotypes, micro aggressions, bigotry and full on volatil hate and has never apologized for it, or made a statement against it, is sick. And the fact that it got through editing and publishing and is STILL being praised and rated 5 stars speaks volumes to what we are willing to let straight, cis, white men in power get away with. I can't imagine a single POC, female, or religious minority character writing the story the way King did, even in the 80s.
It is also overlong, it could have easily been 400 pages shorter than it was. It dragged on and on. It doesnt genuinely pick up or reach a true climax til around page 950 (in my edition) so like 150 pages away from the end. That's ridiculous. King is constantly overloading the book with lore building and exposition that really isnt needed past a certain point. It took me 4 months of on and off reading to finally get through this thing. Ive never taken more than a month to read a book, even dense ones like the entire Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones) series, in my adult life.
Most people I have seen, even those who praise this book, don't count this as a book they would ever reread. If that's not a red flag i don't know what is. I cant think of a single book, even thick and complex ones, that i loved and wouldn't pick up again.
PROS: King is a genuinely skilled writer on a technical level and the book is well crafted. There are very thoughtful and interesting themes around childhood vs adulthood, the transition between the two, and the power of faith/belief. It really could have been a gorgeous novel if he leaned more into that earlier in the book and cut down on all the unnecessary bigotry and lore building. I likely would have loved this if it was shorter and less hate filled.
There are some good things about this book, but the bad significantly outweigh them. This is one of the most needlessly offensive and problematic books i have ever read. The only thing horrifying about this novel is that King had the audacity to include so much needless hatred and is still being praised for it. The level of racism, sexism, pedophilia/sexualization of minors, anti semitisim, etc is FAR beyond anything that is warranted by the plot and its honestly inexcusable. If you took a shot everytime King used the N word with a hard R, you'd die of alcohol poisoning somewhere between the one third and halfway mark. King is constantly using language and scenarios that sexualize Beverly, constantly mentioning the way her 12 year old body is maturing, painting her as a (and im quoting here) "whore" from almost every chatacters POV. Shes even sexualized in her own POVs.
It is also overlong, it could have easily been 400 pages shorter than it was. It dragged on and on. It doesnt genuinely pick up or reach a true climax til around page 950 (in my edition) so like 150 pages away from the end. That's ridiculous. King is constantly overloading the book with lore building and exposition that really isnt needed past a certain point. It took me 4 months of on and off reading to finally get through this thing. Ive never taken more than a month to read a book, even dense ones like the entire Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones) series, in my adult life.
Most people I have seen, even those who praise this book, don't count this as a book they would ever reread. If that's not a red flag i don't know what is. I cant think of a single book, even thick and complex ones, that i loved and wouldn't pick up again.
PROS: King is a genuinely skilled writer on a technical level and the book is well crafted. There are very thoughtful and interesting themes around childhood vs adulthood, the transition between the two, and the power of faith/belief. It really could have been a gorgeous novel if he leaned more into that earlier in the book and cut down on all the unnecessary bigotry and lore building. I likely would have loved this if it was shorter and less hate filled.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Ableism, Addiction, Adult/minor relationship, Alcoholism, Animal cruelty, Animal death, Body horror, Body shaming, Bullying, Cancer, Child abuse, Child death, Chronic illness, Confinement, Cursing, Death, Drug use, Emotional abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Homophobia, Incest, Infidelity, Mental illness, Miscarriage, Misogyny, Pedophilia, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Rape, Self harm, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Terminal illness, Torture, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Excrement, Vomit, Antisemitism, Medical content, Grief, Cannibalism, Religious bigotry, Medical trauma, Stalking, Suicide attempt, Murder, Pregnancy, Fire/Fire injury, Toxic friendship, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, Injury/Injury detail, and Classism
The whole book is a trigger warning. It is full of violence, GRAPHIC bigotry, and the sexualization of women and especially minors.tori_420's review against another edition
dark
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.75
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Child abuse, Child death, Death, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Gore, Pedophilia, Physical abuse, Racism, Rape, Self harm, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Suicide, Violence, Blood, Cannibalism, Murder, Sexual harassment, and Injury/Injury detail
itshardizzy's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
sad
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
this was a hell of a ride, honestly it was my 3rd time trying to read this book and I finally did it! I'm happy that I did because the plot and the character and the world building, also the writing, is amazing, i specially love how SK makes the transitions of present to past.
I only rated 4 starts bc of the amount of unnecessary stuff SK put in this book, honestly the amount of times he mentioned Bev's breast its just disgusting AND that scene with all of them, omg I can't even-- also the amount of slurs he slipped on there, and i felt like he used the decade where the book is set a little too much and what I mean is that he throw a lot of offensive stuff, and probably did to correspond the decade but there is no excuse.
The characters tho, THE LOSERS <3 honestly all of them now have a place in my heart, especially my beautiful Eddie, that sweet little thing. this characters really made the book even better, they made me feel warm inside and made me feel welcomed. they are so sweet and im happy that they came to life.
Now about Pennywise, SK really went deep creating it, huh. It story is very well constructed, even tho it doesn't have soooo much "building" behind. It has so much depth but at the same we don't have THAT much depth about it background, but that's ok because it actually suits the characters, since It is no suppose to be this character with a very rich in detail past - that's what makes it more appealing and interesting. I liked how well constructed the character was.
With all of that being said, this was something that I enjoyed reading and overall was a very good reading. It really hooked me up until the very end and the end was not bad at all.
I only rated 4 starts bc of the amount of unnecessary stuff SK put in this book, honestly the amount of times he mentioned Bev's breast its just disgusting AND that scene with all of them, omg I can't even-- also the amount of slurs he slipped on there, and i felt like he used the decade where the book is set a little too much and what I mean is that he throw a lot of offensive stuff, and probably did to correspond the decade but there is no excuse.
The characters tho, THE LOSERS <3 honestly all of them now have a place in my heart, especially my beautiful Eddie, that sweet little thing. this characters really made the book even better, they made me feel warm inside and made me feel welcomed. they are so sweet and im happy that they came to life.
Now about Pennywise, SK really went deep creating it, huh. It story is very well constructed, even tho it doesn't have soooo much "building" behind. It has so much depth but at the same we don't have THAT much depth about it background, but that's ok because it actually suits the characters, since It is no suppose to be this character with a very rich in detail past - that's what makes it more appealing and interesting. I liked how well constructed the character was.
With all of that being said, this was something that I enjoyed reading and overall was a very good reading. It really hooked me up until the very end and the end was not bad at all.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Body shaming, Bullying, Child death, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Emotional abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Homophobia, Infidelity, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexual content, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Grief, Cannibalism, and Murder
Moderate: Rape, Suicide, and Antisemitism
Minor: Eating disorder and Suicidal thoughts
kenna11's review against another edition
dark
mysterious
sad
tense
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
2.0
So many thoughts and so little space to write them. The book was well written and the plot was interesting enough that I spent 45 hours of my life listening to the audiobook. I could have done without the slurs every other page, descriptions of a child’s nipples, and other completely unnecessary information. Without all of these things I would give it a solid 5 but it just made me so uncomfortable to read (and not in the way I think he meant it to). I’m basically going to have to select every trigger warning on the list for this review
Content Warnings
Graphic: Ableism, Addiction, Alcoholism, Animal cruelty, Body horror, Body shaming, Bullying, Cancer, Child abuse, Child death, Chronic illness, Cursing, Death, Domestic abuse, Drug abuse, Emotional abuse, Fatphobia, Gore, Hate crime, Homophobia, Misogyny, Pedophilia, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Kidnapping, Grief, Cannibalism, Religious bigotry, Medical trauma, Murder, Cultural appropriation, Alcohol, and Sexual harassment
gemmawelton's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.0
!!BIT OF A RANT REVIEW!!
So this was a tough read for me. I started it last year and got to about 600 pages in before it lost me, and honestly I felt the same struggle to read it this time as then.
I’m not going to comment on just how deeply disturbing this book is, because I do understand that that is the entire point of this book - it’s a horror. You’re not going to get flowers and rainbows.
But I am going to single out the extreme emphasis on child sexuality.
I skipped the scene with all the losers at the end of the book, when they’re trying to get out of the sewers and apparently all have to have sex with Beverly because there’s NO OTHER WAY to resolve it AT ALL, because it literally felt too close to child p*rnography and it made me feel sick.
My second point on this subject is the encounter between Patrick and Henry in the junkyard. They’re twelve. Just because they are bullies/murderers doesn’t diminish that, and I’m not entirely sure why Stephen king included this as I don’t think it actually furthered the plot at all, it just drew more attention to the tones of homophobia.
My third point regarding this is the general theme throughout the book - all of the loser’s experience a ‘s*xual stirring’ when around Beverly or any of the girls who are mentioned in the book and Beverly herself expressed the same feelings a couple of times, one of which is in the junkyard. There’s also the fact that a few times there are mentions of children turning up dead with their s*xual organs mutilated or completely gone.
Edit: just a quick fourth point, the scene between Beverly and her father when he asked to ‘check’ she was still a virgin.
Another thing I wanted to touch on was the amount of homophobia featured in this book. Again, I understand that this was meant to contribute to the theme of the book and of Derry, and there is the whole different eras argument, but I also feel like it cropped up more often than was ‘relevant’ to the plot. I’m not even sure how it was actually relevant, it didn’t really have a lot of influence over the plot, and unlike the films, we didn’t get any characters that were part of the LGBTQ+ community (aside from Adrian and Don (I think)).
I know that Stephen king himself and a some people who are devoted to this storyline have defended these choices, with king citing that times have changed and it’s different millennia, but this was written in the ‘80’s. It wasn’t ok then, it’s not ok now, and it never will be ok.
I’ve seen people say that the scene in the sewers between the losers was each of the boys showing they’re love for her and Beverly herself reclaiming her self/‘sexuality’ after what happened with her father, but there were plenty of other ways for the boys to show they loved her, in fact they did throughout the book multiple times, and Beverly was 11. You can’t tell me she was even fully aware of what exactly sexuality is, let alone that this was the best way to reclaim it.
Overall, I’m not sure this will be something I pick up to read often, if again, and if I do it would probably be just to skim through some parts rather than have an actual read of it. If I get the urge for a story with an awesome bunch of kids who defeat a murderous otherworldly clown, I’ll watch the films as I feel they did the story and the characters much better.
So this was a tough read for me. I started it last year and got to about 600 pages in before it lost me, and honestly I felt the same struggle to read it this time as then.
I’m not going to comment on just how deeply disturbing this book is, because I do understand that that is the entire point of this book - it’s a horror. You’re not going to get flowers and rainbows.
But I am going to single out the extreme emphasis on child sexuality.
I skipped the scene with all the losers at the end of the book, when they’re trying to get out of the sewers and apparently all have to have sex with Beverly because there’s NO OTHER WAY to resolve it AT ALL, because it literally felt too close to child p*rnography and it made me feel sick.
My second point on this subject is the encounter between Patrick and Henry in the junkyard. They’re twelve. Just because they are bullies/murderers doesn’t diminish that, and I’m not entirely sure why Stephen king included this as I don’t think it actually furthered the plot at all, it just drew more attention to the tones of homophobia.
My third point regarding this is the general theme throughout the book - all of the loser’s experience a ‘s*xual stirring’ when around Beverly or any of the girls who are mentioned in the book and Beverly herself expressed the same feelings a couple of times, one of which is in the junkyard. There’s also the fact that a few times there are mentions of children turning up dead with their s*xual organs mutilated or completely gone.
Edit: just a quick fourth point, the scene between Beverly and her father when he asked to ‘check’ she was still a virgin.
Another thing I wanted to touch on was the amount of homophobia featured in this book. Again, I understand that this was meant to contribute to the theme of the book and of Derry, and there is the whole different eras argument, but I also feel like it cropped up more often than was ‘relevant’ to the plot. I’m not even sure how it was actually relevant, it didn’t really have a lot of influence over the plot, and unlike the films, we didn’t get any characters that were part of the LGBTQ+ community (aside from Adrian and Don (I think)).
I know that Stephen king himself and a some people who are devoted to this storyline have defended these choices, with king citing that times have changed and it’s different millennia, but this was written in the ‘80’s. It wasn’t ok then, it’s not ok now, and it never will be ok.
I’ve seen people say that the scene in the sewers between the losers was each of the boys showing they’re love for her and Beverly herself reclaiming her self/‘sexuality’ after what happened with her father, but there were plenty of other ways for the boys to show they loved her, in fact they did throughout the book multiple times, and Beverly was 11. You can’t tell me she was even fully aware of what exactly sexuality is, let alone that this was the best way to reclaim it.
Overall, I’m not sure this will be something I pick up to read often, if again, and if I do it would probably be just to skim through some parts rather than have an actual read of it. If I get the urge for a story with an awesome bunch of kids who defeat a murderous otherworldly clown, I’ll watch the films as I feel they did the story and the characters much better.
Content Warnings
Graphic: Body horror, Bullying, Child abuse, Child death, Death, Domestic abuse, Gore, Homophobia, Infidelity, Mental illness, Pedophilia, Physical abuse, Racial slurs, Racism, Sexual assault, Sexual content, Sexual violence, Violence, Blood, Cannibalism, Murder, and Sexual harassment
Moderate: Incest, Infertility, Infidelity, and Police brutality
Minor: Animal death, Rape, and Car accident