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icarusandthesun's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
2.5
i found it really hard to enjoy this one. as someone who's read quite a few mythology retellings, surprsingly little was new to me, and even though it's advertised as very feminist and "epic", it didn't feel revolutionary at all.
i love that haynes introduced me to a couple of women and aspects in greek mythology that i hadn't previously heard of, but the stories themselves were a little, hm, flat maybe? i found myself unable to feel for the characters sometimes.
part of it's probably because of the amount of information in this book. haynes tried to fit the whole iliad (and odyssey) into 350 pages and all of it, all of the things that happened (though retold from the women's perspectives) felt textbook-dry.
i expected something emotional and fiercely feminist, but it ended up being unexciting and not entirely feminist either i feel like??? because though penelope wrote those letters, they were basically just retellings of the odyssey, of odysseus' adventures. we got the occasional "it's very lonely without you and there are suitors who invade our home", but other than that she was just retelling her husband's stories. idk.
i appreciate this book as a means to aquire knowledge (i learned many women's names that i've never even heard of), but as a novel it was mediocre at best.
Graphic: Child death, Death, Slavery, Violence, Blood, Grief, Murder, War, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Infidelity and Fire/Fire injury
Minor: Rape, Pregnancy, and Sexual harassment
sareidle's review
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.75
Graphic: Child death, Death, Rape, Sexual violence, Suicide, Violence, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, Abandonment, and War
Moderate: Adult/minor relationship, Infidelity, Misogyny, Physical abuse, and Kidnapping
Minor: Sexual content
dniespal's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
3.5
Graphic: Child abuse, Child death, Death, Domestic abuse, Genocide, Gore, Infidelity, Mental illness, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, Slavery, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Kidnapping, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Pregnancy, Fire/Fire injury, Abandonment, Alcohol, Sexual harassment, War, Injury/Injury detail, Classism, Deportation, and Pandemic/Epidemic
miaaa_lenaaa's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Penelopes buts were the best
Odysseus is not like other menš
āWho could love a cowardā¦ someone for whom the alternative is loving a corpse.ā
āThat is what it means to refuse a god. It is to be driven mad.ā
āWaiting is the cruelest thing i have ever endured.ā
Graphic: Animal death, Child death, Death, Genocide, Misogyny, Physical abuse, Rape, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, Slavery, Blood, Grief, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, and War
p1gu1's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? N/A
5.0
Graphic: Child abuse, Death, Death of parent, and Fire/Fire injury
annasbookreviews's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.5
Graphic: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Child death, Death, Domestic abuse, Genocide, Infidelity, Mental illness, Miscarriage, Physical abuse, Rape, Self harm, Sexual assault, Sexual violence, Slavery, Suicidal thoughts, Suicide, Torture, Violence, Blood, Vomit, Medical content, Trafficking, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , Pregnancy, Fire/Fire injury, Abandonment, War, and Injury/Injury detail
solaris_zip's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: Adult/minor relationship, Emotional abuse, Misogyny, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Slavery, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Trafficking, Grief, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, and Abandonment
reggiethebird's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
Graphic: Rape, Sexism, Slavery, Kidnapping, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, and War
Moderate: Child death, Death, Domestic abuse, Infidelity, Mental illness, Panic attacks/disorders, Physical abuse, Blood, Death of parent, and Pregnancy
Minor: Animal death, Body shaming, Racism, and Alcohol
withlivjones's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
5.0
THIS is how you do a retelling. Natalie Haynes expertly weaves together a tapestry of narratives to provide us with a detailed picture of the Trojan War from the perspective of the women who were affected by it. And it is commendable how many women she includes, from the well-known Cassandra to the more obscure Laodamia and Oenone. I would recommend prior knowledge of the Trojan Cycle in order to get the most out of this book, just because of the amount of detail Haynes has managed to pack in, but the novel still feels accessible enough that one would probably still understand it with minimal knowledge.
There are so many fantastic lines throughout that really pack a punch, and the novel discusses the different things that can define womanhood, what it means to be a hero (because the heroes of the Trojan War werenāt just the ones fighting), and the lasting effects of war. Haynes draws from a wide range of ancient sources, and I particularly enjoy the inspiration from Ovidās Heroides in Penelopeās letters to Odysseus that gradually get more and more impatient and sarcastic. My favourite parts by far, though, are Calliopeās chapters that suddenly become rather meta, as if she is wrenching control of the story from the male poet who is entreating her in a display of feminine solidarity - in order to give her fellow women the spotlight. I sometimes feel like Haynes is speaking directly to female readers through these characters who are suffering at the hands of the patriarchy and saying āI see you, and you are not aloneā. Itās enough to inspire a bit of female rage in all of us.
There are a few other perspectives I would have loved to see: Helenās, for example, since I still believe she is grossly misrepresented in many interpretations of the Trojan Cycle. Haynes also expresses a wish that she could have included a chapter on Dido, which I also would have thoroughly enjoyed. But if anything, this is just a sign that I wish the book were longer!
Overall, this is definitely going to the top of my list of favourite Greek mythology retellings, and in the future I will be recommending it to anyone who expresses an interest in the Iliad. Why read the Catalogue of Ships when you can read a catalogue of reasons why men suck? (jk jkā¦)
Graphic: Animal death, Child death, Death, Genocide, Infidelity, Misogyny, Rape, Sexism, Sexual assault, Slavery, Suicide, Violence, Blood, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, Abandonment, Alcohol, War, and Injury/Injury detail
lilifane's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
I liked the framing device of Calliope having enough of inspiring heroic war stories. And it was nice to have all the different female perspectives in one book, the women of Troy as well as Greek women and all the goddesses and immortals involved. But if I hadn't known these characters and their stories as well as I did before, I would have been very confused. The story is not told in chronological order, you rather get glimpses of the different women's parts at random points in time. Some from before the war, some during the war, some at the end. Several times I didn't even know at which point of the plot we were. Plus, the characters are never really introduced. It's expected that you know who is who already. Which is a weird take for a book about the hidden women in the epic tale. I had an emotional connection to them because I already knew them, not because of how they were portrayed in this book.
However, I enjoyed the book, it was a quick read. And I LOVED Penelope's part. Her letters to Odysseus got hilarious the longer she had to wait for him. I literally couldn't stop laughing at one point. A much-needed break from all the sad tragedies in the book. I also appreciate that Haynes went all the way back to the very beginning to find out what exactly started the conflict. I liked that a lot. And the writing is stunning!
Graphic: Child death, Death, Genocide, Slavery, Suicide, Grief, Suicide attempt, Death of parent, Fire/Fire injury, and War