dariakl15's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
emotional
sad
tense
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
5.0
the tension is building up, exited for the next book!!!
larrarreadsboks's review against another edition
adventurous
lighthearted
mysterious
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
tildee06's review against another edition
5.0
I normaly really like a arc/book while I read it and I often feel like that book would be favorite so far, but I think I can confidently say that Thunder and Shadow is one of my favorite books, atleast in this arc. I love how they are showing us how unstable Shadowclan is to later acually adress the problem.
SPOILERS:
I think it is like during chapter 8 when the apprentices ganged up on the warriors and Rowanstar and I LOVE that chapter, it was so interessting and I love how we get to see the reason's for their disloyalty;
*The clan have too many apprentice's.
*The deputy and his mate Dawnpelt might have been bad parents with teaching them bad manners as in that they can say whatever they want. It was also mentioned by their kits that they don't listen to them and maybe ignoring sings. And the other seems to have had a bad upbrining too.
*The apprentices also had heared stories about how feared Shadowclan used to be, but they feel like the clan have gone soft because of what they have seen once they became apprentices. And Ratscar is agreeing with them.
*I feel like Rowanstar might be a bad leader because of how his clan ganged up on him.
*Later in the book was Lionpaw fighting her brother for a pice of prey, they even fought with claws and no one stopped them, or they did not stop them until Twigpaw got involved. "They started it" was the exuce they had for not interfering. This shows that the problem is more than just bad parenting and false expectations, the mentors are not doing their jobs, this is not just the parents fault or Rowanstar not being able to control his clan. This is his warriors not doing their jobs, letting them get away with almost anything.
I also want to say, Crowfrost was right to let Nettlepaw go home, it was a wise desition. I would like to see him be leader.
And I understand Violetpaw was sad, but she would not turn her back on Shadowclan so how does she expect Twigpaw to do it? Though I do think it is a interesting part of her character, how fast she feels betrayed. And it makes sense.
In the beginning of the book can we see how mad Alderpaw is at Rowastar for taking Violetkit and seperating siblings. I do not think it is fair, Bramblestar was also not willing to give up Twigpaw so it is not just Rowanstar who seperated them. Thunderclan did not have a right to the kits alone, without Neddlepaw would the kits never had been found. Had kinda agrues that it was his vision, but the vision was for a prophecy for all the clans.
Another thing I noticed while reading, I think chapter 7? When the new Shadowclan apprentice visit the moonpool for the first time, was that we call Jayfeather old. How is he old? How fast are these cats aging. Jayfeather is not old and it is so confusing when the book tell us that he is. Is he even like 5 years old?
SPOILERS:
I think it is like during chapter 8 when the apprentices ganged up on the warriors and Rowanstar and I LOVE that chapter, it was so interessting and I love how we get to see the reason's for their disloyalty;
*The clan have too many apprentice's.
*The deputy and his mate Dawnpelt might have been bad parents with teaching them bad manners as in that they can say whatever they want. It was also mentioned by their kits that they don't listen to them and maybe ignoring sings. And the other seems to have had a bad upbrining too.
*The apprentices also had heared stories about how feared Shadowclan used to be, but they feel like the clan have gone soft because of what they have seen once they became apprentices. And Ratscar is agreeing with them.
*I feel like Rowanstar might be a bad leader because of how his clan ganged up on him.
*Later in the book was Lionpaw fighting her brother for a pice of prey, they even fought with claws and no one stopped them, or they did not stop them until Twigpaw got involved. "They started it" was the exuce they had for not interfering. This shows that the problem is more than just bad parenting and false expectations, the mentors are not doing their jobs, this is not just the parents fault or Rowanstar not being able to control his clan. This is his warriors not doing their jobs, letting them get away with almost anything.
I also want to say, Crowfrost was right to let Nettlepaw go home, it was a wise desition. I would like to see him be leader.
And I understand Violetpaw was sad, but she would not turn her back on Shadowclan so how does she expect Twigpaw to do it? Though I do think it is a interesting part of her character, how fast she feels betrayed. And it makes sense.
In the beginning of the book can we see how mad Alderpaw is at Rowastar for taking Violetkit and seperating siblings. I do not think it is fair, Bramblestar was also not willing to give up Twigpaw so it is not just Rowanstar who seperated them. Thunderclan did not have a right to the kits alone, without Neddlepaw would the kits never had been found. Had kinda agrues that it was his vision, but the vision was for a prophecy for all the clans.
Another thing I noticed while reading, I think chapter 7? When the new Shadowclan apprentice visit the moonpool for the first time, was that we call Jayfeather old. How is he old? How fast are these cats aging. Jayfeather is not old and it is so confusing when the book tell us that he is. Is he even like 5 years old?
cassidylynnereads's review against another edition
3.0
While I thought this addition to the series was better than the first installment, it still could have used some improvement. I can say that despite the three star rating, I really enjoyed this book and I'm eager to see what happens in the next release. I felt that the plot in this one was just too rushed. The rapid transition between scenes and point of view shifts felt like the result of trying to cram too much action into one book. Maybe if the plot had been spaced out over more pages I would have enjoyed the book more, but as it stands many crucial events felt rushed to me. The rest of this review will be hidden for spoilers as I rant about a few things I felt could have been handeled better.
Spoiler
I know that Jayfeather redeemed himself at the end of the book, but overall he seemed too grouchy for my liking. I never really held an appreciation for his attitude in the first place, but he moved down to one of my least favorite ThunderClan cats after this book. My all time most hated cat, however, remains Needletail. I never liked her, and while I thought she might have been redeemed by a forbidden romance with Alderheart, it became clearer as the book went on that the only romance in her future would be with Rain, another hated character. I don't hate him as much as Darktail, but really I hate every cat who turned against ShadowClan without hesitation (note that this does not include the sick cats, Dawnpelt, or Puddleshine). I don't know what is going to happen with the them in the future but it better be something dramatic to make me change my opinion about them. I also hate how manipulative Needletail is, and while I understand that Violetpaw and Twigpaw feel isolated from Clan born members, their attitudes throughout the book bothered me. How many times do you need to be reassured before you realize, no, not everybody hates you? Especially you Violetpaw. I feel like Katy Perry's Hot and Cold was written for you. I just don't get why no one said "hey, I know you don't feel like you fit in because you aren't clanborn, but guess what? Firestar, one of the greatest leaders ever, wasn't clanborn either! Neither was Cloudtail, one of our very own warriors! I will say I loved the snarky bit where Graystripe mentions that Sparkpelt should have been named Sparkfire since Harper Collins rejected that beautiful name for an overused, bland one. I also despise Onestar in this book, and again, I never was fond of him, but I especially hate him now. I get that he's on his last life (seriously it bugged me how many times a cat thought "why did losing a life change him so much?" when it's obviously because it's his last life) but he was just unreasonable and annoying. It also angered me when the ShadowClan cats kept saying to Rowanstar "well where were you when Crowfrost let our hostage go?" or calling him weak for being sick. He was literally deathly ill, I don't think he can help that. Let's just say this book would've been a four star book had the pacing been better and the cats less stupid. Seriously, I feel like something changed in this series (I also noticed it in the Dawn of the Clans series) and now all the cats are suddenly annoying and unreasonable. Maybe I just matured too much for these books and started noticing things I didn't before, but I somehow doubt it.amazon_hamster's review against another edition
5.0
Spoilers: I’m not sure where all the hate for this book comes from I really enjoyed this. I know it could be a bit similar to Omen Of The Stars but it feels like it was done even better. The way how Darktail managed to take over without even having a battle is the innerworks of a genius mastermind. In the first halve nearly all of shadowclan’s apprentices had left to join the rouges. All it took was for a sickness to spread and all of a sudden, all but three cats had lost complete faith in Rowanstar.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I really liked Onestar in this book and it’s not because he was a good leader but undoubtedly bad one. I think that’s what made it so interesting Onestar is completely terrified of these rouges making him not want anything to do with the other clans and refusing to give them the herb. They say that everyone creates the thing they dread the most, which is exactly what Onestar does. If he just let them have the herb nobody would of lost faith in Rowanstar and Darktail would be nowhere near as big of a threat. I really wish we had a wind clan perspective.
I’m not sure if I like Violetpaw or not her conflict seems to be something more with loyalty and loneliness compared to Ivypool’s jealousy issues. She is really interesting but at the same time my god is the cat thick. Twig paw did not come to see you, to share the news that her mother was dead, she came to you for comfort because she thought you’d be the one other cat to understand. Use your head!
This may be an unpopular opinion but I really liked Onestar in this book and it’s not because he was a good leader but undoubtedly bad one. I think that’s what made it so interesting Onestar is completely terrified of these rouges making him not want anything to do with the other clans and refusing to give them the herb. They say that everyone creates the thing they dread the most, which is exactly what Onestar does. If he just let them have the herb nobody would of lost faith in Rowanstar and Darktail would be nowhere near as big of a threat. I really wish we had a wind clan perspective.
I’m not sure if I like Violetpaw or not her conflict seems to be something more with loyalty and loneliness compared to Ivypool’s jealousy issues. She is really interesting but at the same time my god is the cat thick. Twig paw did not come to see you, to share the news that her mother was dead, she came to you for comfort because she thought you’d be the one other cat to understand. Use your head!
thesapphiccelticbookworm's review against another edition
adventurous
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.0
teo3's review
adventurous
dark
emotional
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
5.0
vengeancethegreat's review
5.0
Really good book
It was longer than most of them (about 376 pages)
Let me be honest here. With the warrior books or maybe just some books I tend to skip over words and paragraphs. I've been trying to stop and to slow down while reading, and sometimes it really hard, but I feel like this book was a good one~ i really got a deeper understanding. So I rate it 5 stars.
(i know I pretty much rate every book i read 5 stars though...) ((maybe just warriors)) (((oof)))
It was longer than most of them (about 376 pages)
Let me be honest here. With the warrior books or maybe just some books I tend to skip over words and paragraphs. I've been trying to stop and to slow down while reading, and sometimes it really hard, but I feel like this book was a good one~ i really got a deeper understanding. So I rate it 5 stars.
(i know I pretty much rate every book i read 5 stars though...) ((maybe just warriors)) (((oof)))
cajunhusker's review against another edition
3.0
Can someone explain to me when Shadowclan became a bunch of pansies? I'm personally insulted