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tomstbr's review against another edition
4.0
Mandatory reading. Could have been structurally edited a bit, kind of rambled and felt repetitive. But I guess he does have a lot of evidence to provide. Eye-opening stuff.
alexandrabree's review against another edition
5.0
Is worth reading at least twice through.
As I peek through the goodreads comments, I can't help but have an ironic laugh. The people who are "outraged" over Murray's statements about Islam and immigration are ALMOST all non-Islamic and non-immigrant, not that they would have to be but in their ravings they clearly foreward Murray's opinion "in the flesh" So to speak.
I know many immigrants who wish to see the numbers of migrants, in particular illegal migrants go down. It has little to do with race overall and more to do with ideological fractions, classism, and opportunity.
I think most of what Murray's has said resonates with the middle, lower middle, blue collar, and those people living in poverty.
My highlight of the book was learning about how English "blm" rally shouted don't shoot while marching with hands up, protected by police escorts that don't carry guns anyways.
As I peek through the goodreads comments, I can't help but have an ironic laugh. The people who are "outraged" over Murray's statements about Islam and immigration are ALMOST all non-Islamic and non-immigrant, not that they would have to be but in their ravings they clearly foreward Murray's opinion "in the flesh" So to speak.
I know many immigrants who wish to see the numbers of migrants, in particular illegal migrants go down. It has little to do with race overall and more to do with ideological fractions, classism, and opportunity.
I think most of what Murray's has said resonates with the middle, lower middle, blue collar, and those people living in poverty.
My highlight of the book was learning about how English "blm" rally shouted don't shoot while marching with hands up, protected by police escorts that don't carry guns anyways.
jasperburns's review against another edition
4.0
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yates9's review against another edition
4.0
Infuriating and incendiary at tines, reasonable and insightful at others this book looks at immingration in europe and criticises its lack of vision while arguing that it involves basic compromise in values. The thesis is that Europe ceases to exist because it can no longer stand for the values it has in the past, its “culture”.
I would dismiss the text except the author’s basic question of how much immigration is good/ok cannot be completely dismissed. The author’s vision of a clash of cultures is more messy and inbalanced, and does not remember similar stories that occured in europe’s past even between neighboring countries.
The value in this text is to draw up a response to some of the policy suggestions the author makes in the last chapters. And ro think deeply as to what aspect of what the author discusses is in effect true for a long term, or a temporary effect.
There are some huge missing holes in the text:
- the fact that european culture has changed all the time and not been so unified as the author argues
- the impact of social media on gathering diverse tribes that drive extrememist positions over practical policy and constructive action
- the idea of responsibility: if not colonial what about climate impact on people
- the economic agenda of globalism mixed with liberalism that has led to the kind of europe we have where human capital movement is at its core
- the impact of technological transformation on inequality of means but open access to information about what life is somewhere else, how to coordinate travel etc…
In any case the book captures a more rational background to the birth of a new backlash against immigration than what we hear on the street.
I would dismiss the text except the author’s basic question of how much immigration is good/ok cannot be completely dismissed. The author’s vision of a clash of cultures is more messy and inbalanced, and does not remember similar stories that occured in europe’s past even between neighboring countries.
The value in this text is to draw up a response to some of the policy suggestions the author makes in the last chapters. And ro think deeply as to what aspect of what the author discusses is in effect true for a long term, or a temporary effect.
There are some huge missing holes in the text:
- the fact that european culture has changed all the time and not been so unified as the author argues
- the impact of social media on gathering diverse tribes that drive extrememist positions over practical policy and constructive action
- the idea of responsibility: if not colonial what about climate impact on people
- the economic agenda of globalism mixed with liberalism that has led to the kind of europe we have where human capital movement is at its core
- the impact of technological transformation on inequality of means but open access to information about what life is somewhere else, how to coordinate travel etc…
In any case the book captures a more rational background to the birth of a new backlash against immigration than what we hear on the street.
nathanaracena's review against another edition
1.0
Didn’t bother finishing. Got halfway through and gave up. Racist, contrite drivel. Thought by reading this I might see some well constructed arguments in favour of Brexit - the better to know thy enemy with and all that - but instead hit a wall of blatant racism hidden behind well spoken English. I was, lo and behold, aghast to find the author is a white, private school educated, middle aged, man!? Who better to discuss inequality then him huh? White men particularly do have it so hard when these bloody immigrants come over here, steal their jobs and dilute the white populous. Must suck that the taxes they don’t pay go to providing health care to people not from here.
The fears of an “unwhite” Britain, that’s more immigrant than not, make me piss myself with laughter. I welcome it. Nice to see another culture “invade” Britain for a change. Sadly, books like this only spur on hate and racism in modern day Britain (and elsewhere) and all I can say is I’m glad I got given this book and didn’t actually spend money on it. It went in the bin anyways because it doesn’t deserve to sew misinformation to some uninformed, EDL raving, Sun-reader anyways.
The fears of an “unwhite” Britain, that’s more immigrant than not, make me piss myself with laughter. I welcome it. Nice to see another culture “invade” Britain for a change. Sadly, books like this only spur on hate and racism in modern day Britain (and elsewhere) and all I can say is I’m glad I got given this book and didn’t actually spend money on it. It went in the bin anyways because it doesn’t deserve to sew misinformation to some uninformed, EDL raving, Sun-reader anyways.
gemmamilne's review against another edition
4.0
I wanted to read this and disagree with everything, but ended up really thinking hard about how I feel about the politics of today - which was a breath of fresh air. Douglas Murray is an incredible master of debate and argument, and I really enjoyed learning about broader European politics, which I was embarrassed to not already know. Highly recommend - particularly for lefties.
tisreece's review
5.0
A really well-written and eye-opening book that reminds you of events that seem like they happened yesterday, but you had simultaneously all but forgotten about them.
His arguments, potential solutions and philosophical points are well cited and make you pause for thought, leaving you on the same page much longer than you intended.
To write such a book in these modern times takes a lot of courage, which is exactly why this type of book is needed, so I would thoroughly recommend this book to anyone, and is a must-read for anybody living in Europe at the moment. I would most recommend this book to those that are apprehensive about picking it up in the first place.
Side note: I've seen a lot of reviews ripping into some aspects of the book particularly when he is talking about the decline of Christianity. It seems a lot of people have missed the point that this entire section of the book is Douglas Murray posing a philosophical question to future societies. The question in that human civilization has only ever had societies that have had religion in it, and therefore is it possible to live in one without, and if so, what would a society like that look like - or that perhaps political philosophy such as Communism, or the more modern Race Theory ways of thinking may take up the mantle that religion once held in order to bind society together.
His arguments, potential solutions and philosophical points are well cited and make you pause for thought, leaving you on the same page much longer than you intended.
To write such a book in these modern times takes a lot of courage, which is exactly why this type of book is needed, so I would thoroughly recommend this book to anyone, and is a must-read for anybody living in Europe at the moment. I would most recommend this book to those that are apprehensive about picking it up in the first place.
Side note: I've seen a lot of reviews ripping into some aspects of the book particularly when he is talking about the decline of Christianity. It seems a lot of people have missed the point that this entire section of the book is Douglas Murray posing a philosophical question to future societies. The question in that human civilization has only ever had societies that have had religion in it, and therefore is it possible to live in one without, and if so, what would a society like that look like - or that perhaps political philosophy such as Communism, or the more modern Race Theory ways of thinking may take up the mantle that religion once held in order to bind society together.
doctorbritain's review against another edition
4.0
Thought provoking, well researched, well written and all rather depressing.
wordsandletters's review against another edition
5.0
Very well articulated book, detailing Impact of failed foreign policy of European Union, long term and short term impacts of demographics altering migration. Elaborate connection between Faith, culture, art and Society along with impact of its absence, is a must read.